With the New Martin Luther King memorial coming i think they should have or at least have part of it in like a update or something for fallout 3 becuase I mean it is something worth putting in what do u guys think?

Also to Bethesda Softworks I know you are probably preoccupied with other games but could you please at least consider it.

thank you

Since there was a timeline split I'm not even sure if MLK did the things he did in real life in the game universe. Does anyone remember any reference to the civil rights movement in any of the games? Lincoln/slavery was mentioned, but civil rights? It's entirely possible that in the FO universe, desegregation happeded in a different way, or at a different time.

-gunny out.

There is not Vietnam War Memorial.

There was a timeline split right after the 1950s which means no Vietnam War. There was no hippie movement and that also means there was no civil rights movement. At least not like what happened in our timeline. Everything stayed in the 1950s mindset right up till 2077.

Hahaha, who the hell cares?

I believe that there might have been a civil rights movement and "counter-culture movement". I'm not 100% sure about the civil rights movement occuring, since the lack of racism in the game from either pre-war or post war times doesn't necessarily indicate the movement occured (because that can likely be attributed to obvious factors not involved with creating the universe timeline).

In regards to the counterculture movement of the 1960s however, it appears that some form of it occured, as the people of megaton sometimes refer to the Church of Atom as "hippies" which would indicate that they have some understanding of that term and thus that the counterculture movement occured (that and the fact that the word exists at all).

The Vietnam War almost certainly did not occur, but it is not out of the question, since the War was brought about partly due to fears of the takeover of communism in east asia (which would fit the 1950s mindset). However given how you said that the War memorial is not there, its likely that JFK didn't bring the country to war (which some speculate would have been his position in real life had he survived).

As for the MLK memorial, it doesn't need to be put in because there are a many reasons why it might not be there. Even if the movement occured, its likely that MLK wasn't a major part of it at all in the alternate universe of Fallout.

The way I think of the Fallout right after the Divergence is, some time in the 40's, Truman creates a Civil Rights bill, it's approved, everyone is happy.
Hippies, I'm guessing came much later since there was no Vietnam War. My guess is the hippies came during the Annexation of Canada and the invasion of China, or perhaps earlier.

If they for some reason added anything into Fallout 3 I wouldn't care what the heck it is as long as its more content! But it probably wouldn't happen for a few reasons listed above and the fact that Bethesda basically moved on from Fallout 3, there are no more patches, DLCs, Etc. :shrug:

I really don't see them doing anything to fallout 3 I mean look at the bugs that still exist Bethesda is done supporting this game. Even then we can't really be sure of much due to the timeline split maybe MLK was killed in a car accident and never did anything. As for wether its worth putting in thats opinion and one I do not share.

Well, the 60's counter-culture / hippies / peace and love thing occured in Britian at the same time as the US, and it certainly wasn't as a result of the Vietnam war, that was something that certainly spearheaded it, gave it focus. It was possible more as a result of peoples' shifting attitudes to mainstream thinking, although the abundance of LSD and cannabis probably helped too

If it wan't for the Vietnam war those hippies would have burned themselves out playing in the mud very early on. Still it is safe to say that the Civil Rights movement did not happen anything like it happened in our timeline and that pretty much everyones mindset stayed in the 1950s right up till 2077.

Agreed. This does spawn another question however, how the hell did a culture survive for 137 years? Probably just easy for the story, but in real life, i think it would have been impossible.

I look at it this way (I think this applies more to Fallout 3 and New Vegas though rather than the first two). The world of Fallout is like a window into what people during the 1950s thought the furture would look like, they didn't know any other culture so they just projected their own onto this vision. Fallout in other words, is kind of a direct "portal" to that future. Then of course, Fallout takes it a step further and imagines what would it look like if the 1950s "retro-future" was hit with a nuclear war (with ideas taken again from the 1950s).

Certainly, i know this concensus and agree with it, i was merely speculating how a culture cóuld actually have survived that long, but probably it simply wouldn't, as you say, it's a portal, a dream world envisioned only from what people could predict based on their own time.

A also agree with that concensus, most people would. Still as for your question. I speculate that the "red menace" stayed as a very real threat right up till 2077. With nothing for the counter culture to latch on to like the Vietnam War, people stayed in that "Government knows best" mindset. That and a healthy mix of good old "Science!" The USSR never fell apart so things always remained US vs THEM and the Government is the only thing saving US from THEM.

Yes thats an excellent point. Part of the reason that the cultural mindset of the 1950s "fell apart" during the 1960s was because people began to question their government after what happened in Vietnam. Up until the Vietnam War, you did what the government said and there was no questions asked. With revelations such as the Pentagon Papers though, there was a feeling of "if you can't trust the government, who can you trust?" With the counterculture movement as well came cultural revolution which challenged traditional mindset.

Obviously this cannot fully account for the keeping of the culture of the 1950s, but it could help to account for a possible "in-lore" explanation.

weird how people think Bethesda will update a 3 year old game with new content right of the blue; Despite the fact a new installment of Fallout has been released, and Bethesda is busy with Skyrim...