Na i never go to Anchorage until at least level 15-20. There was just so much ammo and so many of the fatman nuke guns around in the vanilla game it was kinda hard to see how the gun was supposed to be "powerful"

This. Fallout 3 is a very good game but being denial over the issues is just ridiculous(same applies to NV)

Fallout 3 for me is the best interpretation of a post-nuclear scenario so far.

I wasn't aware of any real game issues when playing the game, nothing that spoilt a fantastic play, even when starting with low ratings.

Fallout 3 has very good balances that accommodated whatever kind of play-style you chose, and considering that the game was open-play with a vast array of situations and necessities, that was quite something for an open-play game, I always did feel that the game was just-right. It depends a lot on how you play as to what you get out of the game of course, but I was able to get just the right game for me, I never had the feeling that something was missing or wrong.

It's the best interpretation of a post-nuclear scenario so far.

Fallout 3 is the better one for me. I'm playing it right now, no lies, theirs just more stuff to look at and find in the game, I really don't care how easy it is, its still fun for me. my bro is playing it on his X BOX and im playing it on my pc after all these years its been out i still haven't seen everything in the game. I really hope they make Fallout 4 the same way.

You have absolutely nothing new to say. FO3 is epically fun. That is what its fans really are trying to communicate to you. I'm not sure you are hearing that or much care. You don't have to agree for it to be true for them. I think the arguing about whether or not its a proper Fallout game is irrelevant. I think most of us who really love it don't give a rat's rear end about that. I do appreciate that which is good about NV, and I liked a lot about the original games. But what all of them lacked, for me, is that sense of fun that Beth has in its games. The Fallout games are serious business. And you may argue, that there is lots of humor in them, and I would agree that there is humor there, but not much true joy and fun. And I don't know why, or much care. But they do a good job with story telling and character development and RPG type things and I like those things. But FO3 is more frolicking good fun if you just like to run around and shoot stuff and make up your own rules. Which a lot of us do. So you can stop repeating yourself endlessly in this thread now. We've got it. You don't like it. It's not a Fallout game. It svcks. I don't know why players keep arguing that FO3 is a great Fallout game, when it clearly isn't, but I would say that the influence of Fallout on Beth was a good one and it was a great improvement over Oblivion and I think it was because of that influence.

Glad to see that we're all getting along as usual, group hug.



Fallout 3 was epic, there's no denying that. What is debatable is whether or not it's more epic than New Vegas. Fallout 3 was certainly more over the top in its presentation, but the scope was fairly small compared to its successor. Nothing that happened in Fallout 3 really matters outside of the Capital Wasteland. On the other hand the events in New Vegas will likely have a significant long lasting impact on both the New California Republic and Caesar's Legion in addition to the Mojave, that's a much, much larger number of people. There's no giant robots or anything, but over the top stuff like that is not really necessary for a story to qualify as epic.

hmmmm, how about the defeat of the Enclave and water purification?

I'm still playing Fallout 3 to this day, New Vegas? Haven't picked up after beating it once.

Seriously where are these epic moments people keep talking about, I never saw any epicness in Fallout 3, just lots of walking around whining about dad.

and what is this obsession with "epic", why the hell does everything need to be "epic" now, why can't a Fallout game just be a Fallout game and not some "Epic" bullcrap.

Yeah, because being a nameless, faceless courier on a boring mission for boring factions was just great. If you cared about the Courier at all in NV, you were trying really, really hard. The best parts about NV were away from the main campaign, same with Fallout 3.

Tranquility Lane alone topped anything in the main NV quest.

Yeah, fighting battles with the brotherhood of Steel with a giant robot that shoots down vertibirds with laser eyes against an advanced enemy who wants to exterminate everyone is not epic at all.

And your avatar is so ***** annoying. I hate you.

Neither of these things would have any impact outside of the Capital Wasteland. The Enclave is a small organization whose defeat would be unimportant to anyone outside of the region, and most places don't need water purification. Even if they did have irradiated water obtaining the necessary resources (including a GECK, which you can't exactly get by moseying on down to your nearest general store) would be too difficult to mass produce the purifier.

Watching a robot do all of the killing for you is epic? The only thing I was thinking during that mission is why the three Vertibirds that come in from behind Prime at the start of Take it Back didn't just lay waste to him with missiles from behind instead of just flying past him or hovering in front of him to die; when I see the US Army act like such idiots it takes me out of the game.

In all subjective honesty,



And because being a faceless brat with a fixed background is better?
I don't see how factions are boring. Definetly beats the railroaded and forced ending with BoS. Ever heard about something called replay value?



Would like to see *that* topping Chief's Hanlon quest. No amount of epic is gonna get close to that writing.

It all depends on how you look at things. If you like explosions and battle scenes then the final battle for the purifer was "epic" for your tastes.

For me on the other hand, my "epic" moment in Fallout 3 was when I first got to talk to President Eden. That may have been the highlight of the game for me. On the other hand though, I guarantee there is going to be someone who says "god it was stupid meeting Eden, all that and he's a computer? Wtf?"

Actually NOT whining about dad makes the game a lot better. FO3 doesn't need the MQ to be great fun.



The scale of the gameworld is pretty epic. The number of little stories and amazingly fun things to find and do in the gameworld is pretty epic. The NOT boring quests to do in it is pretty fun. I don't really like the word epic either. It's as overused as badass. The word I would most use to describe FO3 is fun.




@Lt. Andronicus - The moment that did it for me is when you are at the Jeff Memorial in the pipe and the vertibird lands and it's the Enclave.

:) llama

The thing is I never found Fallout 3 fun, just boring.



You got a problem with Chris Avellone boy?

I don't know about that. I'd say the Potomac was fairly sizeable, with drainage that covers an area larger than many countries. The Enclave was a growing, technologically advanced organization, that would not have been content setting on its laurels after taking control of the DC area. They most definetly would've mopped the floor with Ceasar's legion.

Even if that is the case, the purifier won't help them much.



Growing? Not really, they're a selective club that you have to be born into. It would have taken them forever to expand, but that's beside the point... you were saying that the defeat of the Enclave would impact people outside of the Capital Wasteland, not an Enclave victory.



That's debatable, and not terribly relevant. Arizona is a long, long ways away from DC.

I feel the same way about NV. NV did allot of things better then Fallout 3, but, feels like its missing allot to its open world. I don't know why? People say thats just the way they wanted to make NV be like, and others say thats just because they didn't have allot of time to work on it.I really don't know why? So if somebody can please give me the run down why NV is the way it is, I think you.I like NV for all the things I think they did better then Fallout 3 but I just like Fallout 3 a hell of allot more.

Most people who prefer NV do so because it [wasn't made by Bethesda] has similarities to FO 1 and 2.

I played both games but prefer FO 3. New Vegas did some things much better: the writing, more guns. The story is definately more complex but I wouldn't say it's less linear than FO3. Someone earlier compared the plot for FO3 as a railroad track you are forced to follow, but in NV you can imagine 4 railroad tracks. There's different options but In the end it is still jus as linear.

The quests were significantly more tedious and boring in NV. In 3, I spent a whole day doing some. Helping Agatha get her violin was especially memorable. Having to venture all through the DC ruins to download the vault locations, and then eventually having to travel to vault 92. The map was bigger, the wasteland "barren" area was larger than in NV, but even more so when you include the jungle of DC metro ruins and subways.

I preferred the atmosphere, the music in FO3, but that just personal opinion.

Both are good games, and should be played.

Agreed. I could only beat new vegas once before being bored with tears of it. After about a week or two after beating new vegas i decide to try to play it again with a second play through and could only get to nipton before being bored again quitting again this time permanently. The quest and exploration of new vegas just wasn't doing it for me.

I enjoyed both games. I did play through twice on NV, second character was an unarmed/melee specialist and lots of fun through about half-way. Started to lose interest after that but stuck with it.

I get a little defensive at what I feel is unwarrented criticism of FO3. Yes Beth left the "box" of Fallout cannon when making FO3, ticked alot of purist off! But FO3, with a little imagination and self control is a game that can be played over and over again, and played challengingly. Heck I found places, and saw things on my 7th and 8th playthrough, that kept it fresh.

One bet you can make that beats the house odds is that had it not been for the success of FO3, NV may very well have never happened! Keep that in mind if/when future games are released. Its all about profits my friend, when faced with a choice of profiting from the purist or profiting from the masses, the masses will win out every time.


And if you're lucky, ever so lucky, a release that appeals to the masses, will allow the franchise to put something out on occasion that appeals to the purist.

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