1950's or No 1950's

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 10:35 am



3) Nostalgia is based on memory and is therefore inherently unreliable. Late sixties, early seventies was the best time ever for me. Prove me wrong.


For you.

I like the 60's and 70's also. Love the music. Love the history. Love the presidents(Ehh nixon). Like alot about it. But 1950's has some good sides to it and interesting history.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 8:43 am

@ alex man142

feel free to edit or delete this part , if you want mods. but i dont think that the fear of communism it's self was what most people thought was bad. it was the witch hunt, "must conform or have the microscope put on you" mentalitiy. I mean, this is america, the freest nation on the planet, right?

I also think its unfair to throw in autotune out without looking at it contextually i would equate the auotuners of today with any of the countless doo-whop clones of yesteryear.
the music you listed was mostly from before the 50's and that whole sound was poineered decades before. Sing Sing Sing came from the big band era of the 30's, anyone who can read sheet muysic can play that. Todays orchestras still do. Youre just not going to see them in pop culture venues.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 6:33 am

I like the 50s for many reasons. Sure, they were not perfect at all, neither is modern times. It is just that the pros of the 50s are much greater than the cons. Note, I will also go farther back in time in my reasoning,

Music: Musicians actually had talent instead of autooning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHr4XQ9SEcg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S1I_ien6A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amug2YDZGAc&feature=related

Genders: Now, I am not sixist. Both genders have their strengths and weaknesses. Both sixes do. Thinking that both sixes are 100% equal in every way is just plain wrong. Both of the genders strengths counter the other sixes weaknesses.

Mentality: Society today has the mentality of "what can my country do for me." Back then, it was, "What can I do for my country." My dad described a time when people were ashamed to be on welfare. Oh how those days have gone.

Fear of Communism: Now, some people (many actually) think this is bad. Well, I think that its good. Communism just doesn't work and is totally oppressive and evil. I'm not stupid either. I have done hours of research on the subject.

Morals: I heard on the news recently about some 8th graders having six. Now, why is that? Back then, that was completely unheard of. Divorce rates today are at 50 PERCENT! 50! Back then, you did not have people having illigitment children and divorcing 4 times.

(I tried not to be too political, but if I was, mods, feel free to edit.)


Most of this simply isn't true. Fear of communism may be good, but they had McCarthyism. You could be locked up, lose your job or anything if anyone so much as suspected you were a communist. It was also the decade In God We Trust was added to money because if you were religious you weren't a communist.

8th graders probably did have six back then, you don't know. Information was not as widespread. And while POP music then was better, there are musicians just as talented if not more today.

All the 50's had going for it truly was the economy, because everyone else was bombed to hell and couldn't compete.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 7:44 am

@ alex man142
anyone who can read sheet muysic can play that.


Wrong. I can read sheet music, and I can't play it, nor the majority of people who can read sheet music. The tempo than the Benny Goodman Orchestra was just hellishly fast, few can even finger that fast, yet alone make a masterpiece. The video I showed you, that was taken at about 170 tempo, Benny Goodman played at 240.



@Commander,

Yes, I agree with the Mcarthy thing, but most of the stuff I said is true. Both genders are not 100% the same, the society has changed, and musicians use autotune instead of their real talent.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 7:35 am

Smile and deep breath ... Try not to go as zerker as I did before hehe.

Alex I just disagree with you cept maybe the music as it was pretty good (but you know I have just started going backwards and gave up the radio just discovered Janis Choplin good heavens theres a goldmine of great songs i have never heard heh).

My main disagreement is just a fundamental world view though and that can not be helped, nor is this the place to bang on the horse heheh.

But Just to eleborate (and hopefully stay in bounds of good taste)

The fear of communism thing... Heh is actually why I mentioned Mcarthyism as it was full bore at the time. Its my line of thinking that you do not FEAR it, you show how your system of government is better put your money where your mouth is heh if its a good as you think it will pan out in the end. And thats the kind of thinking that would have had me labeled an undisirable probablly got me blacklisted and would have kept me from getting work. (the true horror is someone just had to not like you and the same thing could happen don't matter if they were lying or not the Fear drove the car heh) Plus I really like video games and sure as I am typing this if things would not have changed they would have been labled subversive and that would have been the end of it.. (they tried this with comic books for heavens sakes heh though maybe they were onto something as I read my share and turned out this way)

Now fear of the bomb thats another matter all together heh thats seems well healthy as man that is scary...heh

Gender ... just think your dead wrong... though maybe I am. But its my understanding the only real diffrence asides from gear is men have typically on the whole better upper body strength, and women a lower center of gravity (that means better balance) and really if you take an honest look at it seems like social norms play a bigger roll than anything about who can do what. Heh I could maybe chop wood for a minute being all weak and pasty like I am wonder how many prairie wives did it all day as the hubby was tilling there dirt plot heh.

Mentality and morals.... I just do not know the answer here. But I am gonna go with we have been trading off one woe for another. Basically how the tuskegee study changed life for you uhh this was maybe the 70's when it finally closed I am a bit fuzzy, Is that doctors have to be honest when treating you and tell you exactly what they are putting in you, err unless by executive order scary huh. to make it even plainer ok we will not use you as a guinnee pig. So no more sitting our own folks out to watch the bomb go off , or sending pilots flying through that mushroom cloud to see what rads will do to em or testing stuff on our own people. Sooner or later we are bound to get it right I am hoping.

(why rodeo clowns it has been asked... Well I am actually scared of anyone who can out fight, out drink, and are just plain nuttier than I am, and these guys and girls just happen to do/be all three on a consistant basis suppose it has to do with staring down a bull with a big red nose on).
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 9:45 am

Wrong. I can read sheet music, and I can't play it, nor the majority of people who can read sheet music. The tempo than the Benny Goodman Orchestra was just hellishly fast, few can even finger that fast, yet alone make a masterpiece. The video I showed you, that was taken at about 170 tempo, Benny Goodman played at 240.


well, it was a figure of speech.. I listen to my local jazz station on the regs...., and youll hear plenty of contemporary jazz artists that can do the same, futhermore, those tunes arent even from the 50's, so they are kinda moot in the best case scenario.


that autotune argument is also an out of context blanket statement - youre comparing jazz musicians to LCD pop artists..
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 9:32 am

For you.


That was my point, Ace.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 10:35 am

Ive always wondered about this, surely some better tech would have been advanced/evolved somehow past the 50's..

Technology, research, ideaology etc doesnt just stop in one time frame, surely it would have advanced past the old tech terminals we see into something better, even if not by the standards of today or even better of today..

Dont get me wrong, its add character to the game and is a generally good touch, i just thought with in 100 odd years, with the state of Laser Guns, Fussion batterys, Power Tech Armour, Super Intelligent AI robots etc, surely this would have aided in development into that part of it, even before the great war they were building huge valuts within a small amount of years..

I dunno, maybe im looking at it through frosted glass.. All seems slightly lacklustered to me.. :-)
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 8:14 am

Ive always wondered about this, surely some better tech would have been advanced/evolved somehow past the 50's..

Technology, research, ideaology etc doesnt just stop in one time frame, surely it would have advanced past the old tech terminals we see into something better, even if not by the standards of today or even better of today..

Dont get me wrong, its add character to the game and is a generally good touch, i just thought with in 100 odd years, with the state of Laser Guns, Fussion batterys, Power Tech Armour, Super Intelligent AI robots etc, surely this would have aided in development into that part of it, even before the great war they were building huge valuts within a small amount of years..

I dunno, maybe im looking at it through frosted glass.. All seems slightly lacklustered to me.. :-)


Don't think about it too hard -- it's just an alternate reality scenario.

I like the Fallout 50's stuff, myself. It makes the attempted murder of mankind more palatable than if it was 'realistic'.
I was surprised at how subtle the 50's stuff in the first two games seems compared to F3, though. I prefer the F3 approach, but now I understand why some folks got bothered by it.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 6:06 am

Don't think about it too hard -- it's just an alternate reality scenario.

I like the Fallout 50's stuff, myself. It makes the attempted murder of mankind more palatable than if it was 'realistic'.
I was surprised at how subtle the 50's stuff in the first two games seems compared to F3, though. I prefer the F3 approach, but now I understand why some folks got bothered by it.

Exactly in F1 and F2 you could barely tell that it was relating to 1950's.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 4:10 pm

Ive always wondered about this, surely some better tech would have been advanced/evolved somehow past the 50's..

Thats a really good point Reccy and i am thinking both ace and al are closer to the point.

But considering the two latest fallouts I am starting to think maybe monopolies caused it to stagnate (this is overthinking it i know hehe but how i ratonalize it for myself , no break of good old Ma Bell this timeline) cause pretty much once the big power houses (heh House) got control of there part of the market, they just crushed any compatition and did not really bother to update so long they could produce there designs on the cheap. Heh not saying they did not keep better stuff or designs for themselves. Course H n H enterprises kind of messes with that a bit as really Mr. house struck me as someone who invented for the love of it, but he might also fall into well this is too advanced for joe smoe they can keep using mark 1's which tend to be unrealiable, break easy, but that just means they will need to buy a new one heh.

what do ya think of that idea??
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 8:45 am

I dont know. I dont think the Monopolys did it. It could just be they never wanted to get out of that time period or they never left it. Never got into the groove and stayed in the past and the only thing that progressed was time and some tech.
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