Just curious if anyone knows if this mod: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9809 is compatible with both FCOM and Race Balancing? It doesn't list conflicts at the mod, but the mod looks popular, and I wanted to try, but not if it will ruin my existing setup, or lead to CTD's. Anyone use all of these/know if they conflict?

EDIT: Wondering if the companion mod Neeshka is compatible with FCOM + Reace balancing as well.

If you read the FCOM readme it gives a link to all currently known incompatibilities for the mod.
I have mentioned this to you before, but there is an official thread for FCOM.
You've got less than 80 posts in the forum, of which nearly a quarter have started new threads.
Really, a search would have stopped nearly all of these as they have been covered elsewhere.

Thanks for the info. It's useful, even if socially inept in nature. The problem with that list is it actually doesn't list all actual incompatible mods. So all *known* incompatible mods doesn't help me. That's why I ask in the forum.

EDIT: I would also point out that in fact, a search is what lead to most of my threads. If you cared to notice, you would see I usually pointed out initial searches for said topic yielded nothing, hence my need for a topic. If the information is out there, but I can't find it, launching into your now seemingly routine self-important lecturing isn't helping.

Not too much I can add about your edit. :shrug:
All three mods quoted in your opening post have their own threads and are popular and heavily used mods, so any problems are well documented by now.
RBP has a readme with known compatibility issues, as does FCOM.
Knowing the way bg2408 operates, if more than he's listed had been found he'd have quickly redone his readme.
I'd also be very interested if there are any other compatibility problems with FCOM apart the "known" ones.
For a mod of it's scope it has very few, most of which now have patches.
Trust me when I say the wiki would be very quickly updated if others are reported.
It's up to yourself if you want to continuously make topics.
I think it shows with the number of responses to this thread that it doesn't help though.
Many members will see who's opened the thread and think to themselves "not another one" and simply skip over it.
Take this how you want.
It's not a lecture, just trying to pass on some advice.

If people haven't answered (as if they were supposed to immediately by your standard) , it could be for a myriad of reasons. Said people that like to answer questions aren't even on at the time, said people don't actually know the answer at the time, said people aren't inclined to answer at the time (whether tired, lazy, preoccupied, annoyed, indifferent etc) There's a host of variables to consider, and you're looking at one possible option that suits your view. The objective truth however is likely much more complicated. To assert that the thread isn't answered because people are tired of it, presupposes that everyone was on all at once and saw the thread in the past hour I posted it, and that everyone responds the same way, and shares an identical philosophy as you do. A ridiculous notion.

To the point that FCOM's compatibility list is thorough already, I'd point out that I among many others have countless mods loaded in with FCOM with seemingly little to no issue, and FCOM still doesn't list those esp's in their compatibility list. I, as well as many others I'm sure found out on their own in this respect, as FCOM's list didn't "tell us" it was safe to proceed. This alone justifies the need for some compatibility question topics.

With regard to the presumptuousness that new people are all the same and don't read, and that it's automatically lazy to ask a question, In my view, it's equally as lazy to post a link to tons of information the reader is to pour over just to find his/her question isn't actually answered at all. Case in point, there is nothing about Neeshka compatibility with FCOM in the official compatibility list, or Advanced Companions being incompatible any incompatibility discussion.

No point in taking this discussion further, and I won't reply to further postings.

All I will say is that not counting any other modding site for Oblivion, TESNexus holds over 10,000 files.
Incompatibilities are listed in the readme with any decent mod.
Now, are you seriously suggesting that modders include in that readme ones that don't have issues? They may as well pass out a book with the download.
I think common sense suggests that if it's not mentioned then it doesn't have a problem.

*double post*

So if it doesn't appear on the compatibility list, it's automatically compatible? That's just as silly as your idea that everyone is on at once, or that everyone responds like you do.



Don't worry, I wouldn't want to continue if someone pointed out the inherent ridiculousness of wacky assertions I had made, either.

Ouch - this whole thread and the subject of where to post - Ouch.
Aggression and defensiveness.

I for one hate these kinds of politics and threads (both sides).

Black Marsh - just some friendly feedback - Shikishima has a few points worth considering ... The best place to find info about overhauls is in the overhaul threads.
Why? that is where the overhaul users are likely to be browsing or reporting their issues. Simply put.

Overhauls that are actively updated are ACTIVELY updated that means info too. While Dev has not been around the last few months several have stepped in to answer questions and do small updates.

Now if I were in Shikishima's shoes I'd have absolutely no problem putting a disclaimer that questions about compatibility will be answered only in the thread and then perfunctorily ignoring all the threads that have:
Is this compatible with FCOM?
FCOM+____
having trouble with FCOM
FCOM broke my game
... and so on ad nausea.
If you dig up mods from 2007-2008 you will find that every other one of them had a disclaimer at the bottom of the readme that stated 'yes this is compatible with OOO'.

Why he is getting worked up over this I don't know, but I agree after a while it is annoying. Even more so than threadjacking which I'm totally guilty of. Still if I were you Shikishima I'd let them come to the thread not track them down. As these threads will get ignored then they will turn to the main thread and find immediate help.

I don't mind helping folks out and have many times, but the titles above are usually instant ignore. I know it will be the same 5 or so questions repeated again and again.

I also understand that when your new to the forum and the mods and issues of compatibility are overwhelming, but there does come a point when opening up a new thread for every meandering question is a bit selfish in terms of the forum as a helpful community. Look at my profile - 19 threads in a year. That is it. I've been able to ask the 1000s of questions I've had and the many numerous bug reports I've given in the threads provided.

Yes it can be annoying watching your question get buried in the official thread, but more often than not they get answered - and you can always ask again. Rarely have I had to do that.
But imagine how annoying if every other thread you saw was asking stuff which is usually found in the first two or three posts of an official thread.

Finally - really the best way to find out if the mods are compatible is to test them yourself. With 1000s of mods out there - there is no way that someone is going to have tracked them all for compatibility and degrees of compatibility.

So not trying to shame you here - just give some third party insight that will hopefully be heard.

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next thought - yeah opening a thread after you've tested and are not sure which mod is the issue would seem ok to me.
Seriously people will help - just give the main threads a chance.

The problem I have with Shikishima and a few others I view to be like him/her in this regard, is this air of self-importance and this bizarre need or compulsion to lecture everyone they possibly can. It's as if their first inclination is to disparage, rather than help. That's not productive, that's sick. I've actually seen responses made to newcomers threads asking them to bother to read 50 page- "xxx" followed by a paragraph-long litany of criticisms when the question could have been answered in one sentence right there. That's not productive, it's sick, and frankly pathologically disturbed on some level. You can't contrive an argument that it somehow makes more sense to launch into a paragraph long tirade rather than simply answer the question in one sentence. It points to some deep seated self loathing issues. Like they've been on the forum so long they've developed this jaded, critical cynicism and compulsion to lecture to build up their feelings of damaged self worth.

Psycho-babble aside, its the overall pretentious, elitist attitude that ultimately pushes prospective mod-community members away in my view. Fortunately, I don't see everyone with the same ostensible emotional problems as the some of the top lecturers. Many seem to not feel the need to insult, and simply want to help when they see the opportunity to. Understand, I'm no apologist for incessant questioning that has been answered repeatedly, (I've been guilty of this in some cases) and I can certainly see the point that questions about certain mods be kept in those mods (this is why I asked why the FCOM thread wasn't stickied before), but slapping links down with a snippy line about how you should have read "xxx" when the answer isn't even there, points to a deeper problem with the mod forum and the people that should be in a position to help grow a community, not exclude and sequester it.

Ummm wow.

I'm a real life psychologist/therapist - really and truly -and I rarely throw that kind of verbiage around. Words of the angry for sure.

I think that in several threads in the last few days/week several people have made it known that they prefer answers for things like FCOM questions be posted in the FCOM thread.

So how about this - if your question isn't answered in a day or two in this thread - are you willing to try the http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1059416&hl=FCOM?
What could it possibly hurt to try?

I'd totally back you up if indeed you asked on the main thread an no one answered you. That would make sense.

Just think about it some - this is not shaming or lecturing ... this is the help your asking for. You are being guided to the source of the answers for these questions.

Then if you get the question answered there - I'd bet you'd trust the process more with future questions being posted there.

So would you rather continue this dialogue or get your answer and move on?

*double post*

Sheesh, I'm calling a mod, thread is off topic and turning flamey.

I'm going to give it one more shot in asking you to consider using the official support threads, since those are the places in which you're most likely to get the best quality of support.

EDIT: Weird, my post was the below the post below, but now it's (obviously) above it. :huh:

You'll have to forgive my skepticism about your claim that you're a psychologist. It's been my experience (cousin is a psychiatrist, ex-gf and sister are both licensed, certified psychologists) that a real psychologist wouldn't refer themselves as a therapist (therapists don't require doctorates, and the title distinction is night and day difference), and would be far more impartial than you're being now in seeing the point that I've made that Shikishima's initial post was nothing if not passive aggressive. He/She was clearly following a pattern that he/she has been for a while to disparage rather than help. There's nothing you could do to "shame" me as you keep parroting, because I'm not contriving to argue here, I'm making an objective observation. My emotions are far away from this. Watching Shikishima and a few others handle situations as they do, and now your apologizing for their behavior, isn't helpful as I see it. It seeks to perpetuate the noticeable flaws of a growing elitist forum culture that excludes instead of welcomes outsiders.

I've already agreed to keep mod topics within their own mod threads, or otherwise pertinent/relevant mod threads. No reason to belabor a point I've ceded.

I'm all for more productivity and less drama, but it won't happen if you keep taking sides. When you do, you lose any moral high ground you may have once entertained.

You called and I agree, we have seen enough elitism in this topic. Shame I can't warn for it.