C++ Runtime Error : IV

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:58 pm

Current Mod List:

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
GTAesgaard_2.esm
Windfall.esm
TR_OoT_Main.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
Armamentarium.esm
Artifacts.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Progress.esm
StaticAlchemyMod.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Better Cities .esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
FCOM_Francescos.esp
FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
Fran Armor Add-on.esp
Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
Atmospheric Loading Screens - Original Text.esp
oc_darker_nights.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
FF_Real_Thirst.esp
TFF_Races_Base_RSM.esp
Acolyte_Of_Kynareth_HGEC.esp
Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp
Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp
ArchersDesire2.esp
EY_AoD.esp
Slof's Bracelet Collection.esp
Slof's Bracelets & Rings.esp
VA_HonamiDaito.esp
VA_UniqueKatana1.esp
UFF & ROBERT Noviere's Gray Fox Armor.esp
UFF Blood Ice.esp
UFF & RM Black Exnem Warrior Armor.esp
UFF & ROBERT Cold Steel.esp
Blackmarsh_Witch_HGEC_Clothing.esp
UFF - Celtic Witch Robes.esp
Royal Ranger Armor.esp
TFF_Armor_Base.esp
TFF_Clothing_Base.esp
UFF RM Dark Rider Armor.esp
UFF Black Courtesan Dress.esp
HGEC Witch Queen Ritual Robe.esp
UFF & RM Black Templar Armor.esp
UFF Dragonbone Armor Set.esp
UFF & RM Black Plate Armor.esp
UFF & RM Gold and Silver Daedric Armor.esp
UFF & RM Dark Daedric Armor.esp
UFF & RM Morrigan Armor.esp
UFF & RM Vermillion and Silverthorn Robes.esp
UFF_Unrepetant_Archer.esp
UFF_Jen?es_Honor.esp
UFF RM Ranger Armor.esp
KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp
FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
FCOM_Cobl.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Werewolves.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp
TamrielTravellers4000.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp
FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp
FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_Archery.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp
ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp
KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
Castle Ravenpride.esp
Ivellon.esp
Akiviri Imports MOBS.esp
Syntyche's Cavern.esp
AkaviriSamuraiShop.esp
Artifacts.esp
Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp
Better Benirus Manor.esp
GTAesgaard.esp
GTAesgaard_2.esp
Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp
Guardians of the Nine - Akatosh Chantry.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
Malevolent.esp
Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp
The Ayleid Steps.esp
TR_Stirk.esp
Stirk_Compatibility_Patch.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
VHBloodlines 1.2.esp
Windfall.esp
za_bankmod.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
TOTF.esp
TOTF Delayer.esp
RTT.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
Blood&Mud.esp
The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp
FCOM_Knights.esp
FCOM_Ruin.esp
FCOM_DulanCult.esp
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp
bartholm.esp
FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Bag of Holding.esp
DS Less Predictable Respawn.esp
DBWGP.esp
Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
RealisticFatigue.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM_ShiveringIsles.esp
SM_OOO.esp
SM_MMM.esp
SM_COBL.esp
SM_UnlockSpells.esp
SM_Scrolls.esp
SM_SigilStone.esp
attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
nGCD.esp
ProgressMBSP.esp
ProgressSBSP.esp
ProgressRBSP.esp
ProgressRacial.esp
ProgressArmorer.esp
immersive_caves_auto.esp
Dark Dungeons.esp
Dark Dungeons - SI.esp
TFF_Races_Base.esp
BP_Roberts_BR_Hair.esp
bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp
bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp
Willful Resistance.esp
Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp
Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
Better Cities - COBL.esp
[GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
[GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
Real Hunger, Cobl.esp
TuStartingOptions_01.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp

Hi:

I'm having a small problem. About every so often (maybe once an hour or two) my game CTDs and I get a message referencing a Microsft C++ Runtime Error. I know I had to install Microsoft C++ for one of my mods but for the life of me, I cannot remember which one. I've tried tracking down the problem myself, but without success. My first thought is that any mod that would cause this crash would have an .ini file of some sort. Here is short list of all the mods that have .ini or other scripting/programming files in my install:

Supreme Magika
Realistic Fatigue
DS Less Predictable Respawn
Real Sleep Extended
OBSE
Streamline (streamsmoothing disabled per Sky Captain's instructions)
Elys Pluggy
Elys Uncapper
Sky Captain's Stutter Remover
Oblivion Crash Prevention System
tejon's Progress and nGCD

Also, I've posed my current mod list above in the spoiler section. FYI: I've cleaned my mods using TES4edit and I've sorted them using the latest version of BOSS. I have NOT started to merge them yet, as I'm trying to make my install as stable as possible before I start.

Thanks for any help.

~ Dani ~

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:11 pm

Try updating the C++ runtime library: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=A5C84275-3B97-4AB7-A40D-3802B2AF5FC2&displaylang=en. I suffered that error to and could not determine the cause; however, I think updating this fixed the problem for some people.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:19 pm

Try updating the C++ runtime library: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=A5C84275-3B97-4AB7-A40D-3802B2AF5FC2&displaylang=en. I suffered that error to and could not determine the cause; however, I think updating this fixed the problem for some people.

Thanks for the tip.

I'll try it for a bit and see how it works.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:04 pm

like diviner says try updating i had the same problem and updating solve it good luck

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:51 pm

I'm going to reopen this thread. Been away for a couple of weeks, preparing for finals, but came back this weekend to take a break from the books. I'm still running into the C++ Runtime Error. Here's what I've done so far:

1. Downloaded the latest C++ Runtime Library and install per the link Tomlong posted.

2. Scoured through Tomlong's site for suggestions; found the Nvidia drivers link and dowloaded the latest drivers on the outside chance that there's some incompatibility with the C++ install. I don't know, it's a long shot.

3. Several weeks ago I installed the Oblivon 4gb patch and made the changes suggested by Artmoor in the Oblivion Stutter Remover .ini. I thought this would cut down my crashes, but I can't see that it has any effect. Maybe because I'm using a Windows 32 bit (XP) system? Yes, I have 4 gig ram.

Basically, I'm getting a crash about 30 minutes to an hour, sometimes 1.5 hours. These crashes occassionally have an error message that reads C++ Runtime Error.

My load order is as perfect as possible, taking advantage of BOSS, Wrye Bash, merging all "green" mods into the bashed patch. Mods have been cleaned with TES4Edit. The only thing I haven't done that I talked about doing is merging my mods - I just haven't had the time. As result, I'm currently running 230 esps in my Wrye Bash install, with forty merged into the patch (Wrye Bash reads Mods: 190/230).

The game runs fast and well. I'm pulling down 12-21 FPS exterior cells, even with Better Cities installed.

My machine stats are: Windows XP (via BootCamp and MacBook Pro, Snow Leopard).
4 gig ram
Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT video card, 512 mb memory.

If anyone has suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:03 pm

Do not use that patch on 32-bit Windows XP. You are running a heavy load, but I do not think that that has anything to do with this error. Make sure you upgrade to the latest stable version of OBSE, version 18. Does the error appear when you run in safe mode or on a clean boot?

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:04 pm

I was also getting this error. i never really tried to find the reason. It has been Gone since i did these things to my install.

1) removed Oblivion XP (I had Crash with Sound)
2) Updated Pluggy.
3) Updated Bash
4)added Fastexit2

No other changes , Never did anything to do with C-Runtimes. Been over a month since I saw that error. I was getting it at least once a day.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:38 pm

Do not use that patch on 32-bit Windows XP. You are running a heavy load, but I do not think that that has anything to do with this error. Make sure you upgrade to the latest stable version of OBSE, version 18. Does the error appear when you run in safe mode or on a clean boot?

Good know about the patch. I restored my original Oblivion .exe file, as well as the OSR .ini that I modified. That should return me to where I was before the patch.

Glad to hear about OBSE 18 stable. I've been using 18 Beta 6.

I'll have to test the safe mode. Rebooting - clean, full boot - definately improves performance. So does doing a full save every ten minutes or so. I've got the habit of saving regulary and that helps.

This week I'm finally going to try and merge all those armor/weapon mods we talked about some time ago. That should eliminate about 40 esps from my DATA directory.

One other question, somewhat unrelated: what do people set their object/person fade at? (Menu->Video->Object Fade). My tree fade is set for 90. Obviously if you set Object Fade lower, performance increases. At one point I had it down to 30 something (I think that was an auto adjustment) but I couldn't see people even a block away in the IC. I raised it to 60, which helped immensely, but it did decrease performance. Curious what others are doing. (Also, I'm running Streamline, but I don't think it effects object fade).

Thanks for the help.

~ Dani ~

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:28 am

My machine stats are: Windows XP (via BootCamp and MacBook Pro, Snow Leopard).
4 gig ram
Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT video card, 512 mb memory.

Simply put, you're pushing that rig too hard. The harsh reality is laptops are not suited for gaming. Your situation is compounded by this being a Mac with XP running under BootCamp. You also haven't specifiec CPU, which is actually much more important to Oblivion than your graphics card.

You're going to have to scale back on the number of mods you're using, or be resolved to deal with the number of crashes you're experiencing. I know this is something a lot of people don't want to hear, but there's no way around it when your hardware isn't up to the task you're asking of it.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:38 pm

Simply put, you're pushing that rig too hard. The harsh reality is laptops are not suited for gaming. Your situation is compounded by this being a Mac with XP running under BootCamp. You also haven't specifiec CPU, which is actually much more important to Oblivion than your graphics card.

You're going to have to scale back on the number of mods you're using, or be resolved to deal with the number of crashes you're experiencing. I know this is something a lot of people don't want to hear, but there's no way around it when your hardware isn't up to the task you're asking of it.

Just an FYI, these are my system processor stats from my MacBook, from the Windows XP system menu:

Intel Corel 2 Duo CPU
T8300 @ 2.40 GHz

Otherwise, fair enough.

I've been suspecting this for a long time. My question is: what mods do I remove?

Of course, it's a personal preference. But what mods are most likely to cause crashes? Is there anything I can do to streamline the install so that the mods don't "weigh so heavily" on my processor?

Here's my load order, in a spoiler box:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 GTAesgaard_2.esm
02 Windfall.esm
03 TR_OoT_Main.esm
04 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
05 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
07 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
08 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
09 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
0A TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.36]
0B FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0C Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0D Artifacts.esm
0E Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0F Better Cities Resources.esm
10 Progress.esm [Version 2.2]
11 StaticAlchemyMod.esm
12 CM Partners.esm
13 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
14 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
15 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
16 Better Cities .esp
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
19 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
1A Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1C Fran Armor Add-on.esp
1D Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
1E Atmospheric Loading Screens - Original Text.esp
++ oc_darker_nights.esp
1F WindowLightingSystem.esp
20 Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp
21 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
22 FF_Real_Thirst.esp
23 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.4]
24 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
++ TFF_Races_Base_RSM.esp
25 Acolyte_Of_Kynareth_HGEC.esp
26 Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp
27 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp
28 ArchersDesire2.esp
29 EY_AoD.esp
2A Slof's Bracelet Collection.esp
2B Slof's Bracelets & Rings.esp
2C VA_HonamiDaito.esp
2D VA_UniqueKatana1.esp
2E UFF & ROBERT Noviere's Gray Fox Armor.esp
2F UFF Blood Ice.esp
30 UFF & RM Black Exnem Warrior Armor.esp
31 UFF & ROBERT Cold Steel.esp
32 Blackmarsh_Witch_HGEC_Clothing.esp
33 UFF - Celtic Witch Robes.esp
34 Royal Ranger Armor.esp
35 TFF_Armor_Base.esp
36 TFF_Clothing_Base.esp
37 UFF RM Dark Rider Armor.esp
38 UFF Black Courtesan Dress.esp
39 HGEC Witch Queen Ritual Robe.esp
3A UFF & RM Black Templar Armor.esp
3B UFF Dragonbone Armor Set.esp
3C UFF & RM Black Plate Armor.esp
3D UFF & RM Gold and Silver Daedric Armor.esp
3E UFF & RM Dark Daedric Armor.esp
3F UFF & RM Morrigan Armor.esp
40 UFF & RM Vermillion and Silverthorn Robes.esp
41 UFF_Unrepetant_Archer.esp
42 UFF_Jenées_Honor.esp
43 UFF RM Ranger Armor.esp
44 KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]
++ FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]
45 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
46 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
47 FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
48 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
49 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
4A FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
4B Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
4C Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
4D FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
4E Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
4F ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]
50 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b1]
51 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
52 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
53 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Werewolves.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp [Version 3.7b3]
54 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3]
55 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3]
56 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
57 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
58 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3]
59 TamrielTravellers4000.esp [Version 1.36]
5A TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.36]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
5B KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp [Version 1.2]
5C OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
5D Suliin V1.2.esp
5E Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01]
5F Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
60 Akiviri Imports MOBS.esp
61 Syntyche's Cavern.esp
62 AkaviriSamuraiShop.esp
63 AranMathi.esp
64 ArboretumHouse.esp
65 Artifacts.esp
++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
66 Basemant_chorrolhouse.esp
67 Better Benirus Manor.esp
68 Castle_Wolfspike.esp
69 Castle_Domrose_V1.2.esp
6A Castle_Highrock.esp
6B Castle_Veyond.esp
6C GTAesgaard.esp
6D GTAesgaard_2.esp
6E Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp [Version 1.0]
6F Guardians of the Nine - Akatosh Chantry.esp
70 ImperialCityHouse.esp
71 JolardHome.esp
72 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
73 Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
74 KumikoManor.esp
75 Malevolent.esp
76 Pinevale.esp
77 Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp
78 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.3]
79 TR_Stirk.esp
7A Stirk_Compatibility_Patch.esp
7B VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
7C VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.4]
7D Villages1.1.esp
7E Windfall.esp
7F za_bankmod.esp
80 Knights.esp
81 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
82 Castle_Knightstone.esp
83 TOTF.esp
++ TOTF Delayer.esp
84 RTT.esp
85 The Lost Spires.esp
86 Blood&Mud.esp
87 The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp
88 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
89 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_Ruin.esp [Version 0.9.9]
8A FCOM_DulanCult.esp [Version 0.9.9]
8B Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]
8C ElsweyrAnequina.esp
8D Castle_Almgard-V2.esp
8E Castle_Seaview.esp
8F bartholm.esp
++ FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9]
90 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
91 Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0]
92 DS Less Predictable Respawn.esp [Version 1.1]
93 DBWGP.esp [Version 1.13]
94 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
95 RealisticFatigue.esp
96 RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.3.4]
97 Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp
++ More Soul Gems for Sale.esp
98 GW71_Soulgems.esp
99 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
9A SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]
9B SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]
9C attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
9D nGCD.esp
9E ProgressMBSP.esp [Version 2.0]
9F ProgressSBSP.esp [Version 1.0]
A0 ProgressRBSP.esp [Version 1.0]
A1 ProgressRacial.esp
A2 ProgressArmorer.esp [Version 1.0]
A3 immersive_caves_auto.esp
A4 Dark Dungeons - SI.esp
++ TFF_Races_Base.esp
A5 BP_Roberts_BR_Hair.esp
A6 CM Partners.esp
A7 CM Partners NPC.esp
A8 CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp
A9 CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
AA CM Partners 20 Pack.esp
AB CM Kvatch Guards.esp
AC cm_help.esp
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
AD bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
AE Willful Resistance.esp [Version 4.0]
AF Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
B0 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
B1 Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
B2 Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp
B3 Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
B4 Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp
B5 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
B6 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp
B7 Better Imperial City.esp
B8 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
B9 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]
++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
BA Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]
BB TuStartingOptions_01.esp
BC Bashed Patch, 0.esp
BD Streamline 3.1.esp

I can guess what you're going to say...get rid of Better Cities, FCOM, Animated Window Lighting System...all the mods that are the only reason I'm still playing Oblivion.

Oddly enough, I get better performance out of my little MacBook Pro than I do with my big Windows desktop with a ATI Radeon 512 graphics card, 3 gig of Ram, and a 2.8 Pentium D processor. I just get the crashes on my MacBook.

I do appeciate all of your help. It's just sad when you finally find the game you love and you find out you can't play it.

~ Dani ~

Edit: And if you let me keep these, I PROMISE I WON'T INSTALL ANOTHER MOD. I PROMISE!!

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:13 pm

AWLS is minimal impact, it's not really an issue. While FCOM certainly isn't helping I realize plenty of people won't be willing to give it up. BC would only be an issue when you're in or near the cities.

Your load order lists body mods. Combined with the increased number of NPCs, that's probably putting a huge strain on things. Body mods tend to be higher resolution than vanilla and that's going to tax your video card.

Salmo the Baker is known to have some trouble with its AI, I don't know if that's ever been fixed, but that's one place to look since it did have a confirmed crash issue before.

Cutting back or eliminating all of the "more wilderness life" type of plugins would help too as there would be less spawning around you to cause trouble.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:18 pm

Yes you can keep the Mods you have ..BUT remember you said "I wont Install any more!"

Try adding in a Spawn reducer for FCOM also. Just one notch down will help things alot.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:38 pm

I just want to do a follow-up post:

Back on April 25, I did three things:

(1) I uninstalled the 4gb patch.

(2) I updated my GeForce (Nvidia) drivers.

(3) I installed the OBSE 18 stable version.

I did NOT uninstall any mods or mod resources. I have exactly the same install that I had before (well, actually I added two more mods - sorry, I just can't help myself - but removed one because it was buggy).

Since that time I have not had a single CTD OF ANY KIND. Not one. Prior to this, I was getting CTDs about evern 30 to 45 minutes. Last night, I played for over three hours without a problem. I may have logged off once, but I can't remember. Today, I played for three and a half hours straight without exiting the game or rebooting my Mac. I do full saves regularly, but I pushed it a bit today, saving only every half hour (not something I would do normally).

My FPS still hovers in the low 20s when I'm outside and occassionally drops to single digits in the busier parts of Better Cities.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but I wanted to say thanks to everyone who offered their help and advice. Hopefully, I'll be fine from here on.

~ Dani ~

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:16 pm

Sounds good.

Happy gaming!
- Tomlong75210