Hello,

I need some good Elder Scrolls Lore sites. I want the small stuff. I want to know everything from the best plkace to eat on the Isles to the way Tiber Septum liked his coffee. So send me links to the better lore sites. I know there are one or two that cover it all, but I never faved them, and lost the links. I need the stuff soon, pleases.

Thanks

Lackluster

Here are a couple.

http://oblivion.wikia.com/wiki/Lore

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page

Maybe a question about lore should be asked in the lore forum?

Here are the few I know of..

http://imperial-library.info/

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page

And take a look http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=195079

i definitely love the imperial libraray b/c i have immediate access to all the books...that's where the majority of the 'lore' or it's interpretation comes from anyway

I am an hour into reading about the Deadric Princes.

I have a few questions.

It's been a while, but I remember kicking Vivic's ass, there was also Alexandria or something like that.

Where do they fit in. Are they Deadra, or what. Because they don't make the wiki's list, and are not mentioned in Oblivion. I haven't played Morrowind in forever, and forgot a lot of the details.

If you have not played Morrowind and do want to play it you should not know the truth yet, 'cause it's a huge spoiler, but Vivec, Almalexia and Sotha-Sil are the 3 gods forming the tribunal, the main religion of Morrowind is the tribunal temple which worships chimer and dunmeri ancestral saints, the tribunal, and the 3 daedra Mephala, Azura and Boetiah.
Se you are dedicated, that you survived reading that for an hour :thumbsup:

Edit: LOL I didn't read you had played MW, so the tribunal are three artificial gods created from using kagnerac's tools on the heart of lorkhan, they are in essence the same as Dagoth Ur.

I love the elder lore.
I just finished looking into them all.'

Where does it all fit together though. I played Morrowind for a few years with the expansions. You're not ruining it for me.

Dagoth was not a god at first.

The other three? Did they aspire to be gods? Were they the children of Deadra. How did they get to that point? The Aedra and Deadra are just there. They are, but these three don't fit either category. My interest now is in their apotheosis into goddom.

They are the same as Dagoth Ur

The Tribunal and Dagoth Ur were all mortal dark elves (well, more technically, they were chimer, which were dark elves before they became dark skinned). They achieved godhood by tapping into the divine energy in the Heart of Lorkhan, which the player destroys at the end of Morrowind's main story.

You don't have to be an 'outsider' to be divine. Other examples of mortals that became gods or are worshipped as such (it's a sketchy division, if at all) are Talos, Reman, Phynaster, Rajhin and the God of Worms. Then there also is the Brass God (Anumidium) and Akhulakhan (Second Anumidium) which are technically not even alive.


http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml could probebly refresh your mind a bit.

Thanks guys. I'm trying to find the line between worshiped gods, and the proven gods. You helped a lot.

What's the difference? A real God can't be proven anyway...

I never played Morrowind. Does anyone know what Molag Bal's connection to Dunmer are? In Oblivion he mention them as his favored race.

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/house_of_troubles.shtml

But you'll want to play Morrowind or you won't quite get the context.

Wasn't that Boethiah?

Yeah. I'm confused now. Why would the god of [censored] favor a race that loathes him (if there even is a race that likes him)?

I don?t think it?s about witch race likes him or hates him.

Maybe it?s about what a certain daedric prince finds entertaining, whether it is worship, manipulation or just messing with their lives. Just like a kid doing pranks on people

Edit: Oh! Nevermind...

My mistake, I meant Boethiah.

Veloth, the guy who lead the Chimer (dunmer) out of Summerset was called the "Herald of Boethiah". Worship of seven of the 16 princes was taught to the people of Veloth's little movement, with Boethiah taking the lead role in their "ancestor worship" (they worshipped their dead, but also venerated the Daedra as particularly strong ancestral spirits). Later, with the advent of the Almsivi temple, four of the 7 were abandoned from Dunmeri religion, and the other three were only to be worshipped as "anticipations" of the three Almsivi god-heroes, placeholders that were filled by their true aspects, the living gods of Morrowind. (as we all know, these three living gods were not aspects of the daedra they represented, but were actually liars who stole godhood from the corpse/heart of a dead/sleeping god)

Anyway...

That, I believe, is Boethiah's connection to the Dunmer. He was, in a sense, the father of their culture.

Do the Dunmer have a slightly alternate creation myth where mortals are descended from the Daedra?

I'm not exactly sure. I think they mean ancestor in the spiritual sense, or cultural. More of a metaphor. However, it could also be that they don't draw as harsh a distinction between Aedra and Daedra. I mean, technically speaking both sets of "gods" are racially et'ada. I know what the Altmer say the difference between the Aedra and Daedra are, but I think it just depends on whether they are aligned with Padhomay or Anu. The dunmer are definitely aligned with the big P. I think that's what the "ancestor" thing is about. Merely a metaphor.

Actually, the dunmer believe they are from the aedra/daedra. And that Lorkhan creating the realm of Nirn and filling it with life, was treachery. That they were basically pulled apart from immortality and made into fleshlings. It's not a metaphorical worship. They worship the spirits because apparently in death, they ascend into what WE would call heaven. Or back into immortality. Death is basically an escape back into what ever peaceful slumber they were once in.

I think all life is of Sithis. See, with Anu, there was nothing. As soon as Anu made Sithis of himself, too piece together all randomness, Sithis became somthing. When you hear, "...before sithis there was nothing, " it means that Anu is basically so pure that he's to be not even there. If he/she were, they would've already been tainted. It's best to consider Anu a force so true it would be unwise for him to appear. So, Sithis, of Anu, is the father to the Et'Ada. To Anu, Sithis is a brother of sorts. When you say the Dunmer are of Padomay, it's more all things are of Padomay. I also think the Aedra are of Padomay too. It's like Akel kept the forces more primarily balanced, while Sithis focused more on the daedra. It's like, "Hey, Sithis is motivating corruption, I'll create the aedra."

But from all things there is an opposite counter part. Like Lorkan was an aedra. A trickster. The dark side of what was suppose to be a "pure thing". Of the daedra, is Mephala, Boethiah, and Azura. The "good side" in what was suppose to be an "unpure thing"

It's complicated. (understatement of the century)

You're getting it mixed up- that's the Altmeri worldview. The Dunmer are the elven exception (just like the Redguards are the human one), they revere Padomay and Lorkhan over Anu and his liar Aedra, and see a competition between the two sides.

Course it's all an interplay but don't tell them that.