Reymon Ebonarm

Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:44 pm

Who was he? Some deity the staff chose not to develop any further or is he an aspect of some other deity?

Stuhn (God of Ransom): Nordic precursor to Stendarr, brother of Tsun. Shield-thane of Shor, Stuhn was a warrior god that fought against the Aldmeri pantheon. He showed Men how to take, and the benefits of taking, prisoners of war.


For some reason Stuhn came to mind as I was reading The Ebon Arm
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:55 pm

Says he's the precursor to Stendar right? The god of not killing your enemies, eg. mercy.

See also:

Stendarr (God of Mercy): God of the Nine Divines, Stendarr has evolved from his Nordic origins into a deity of compassion or, sometimes, righteous rule. He is said to have accompanied Tiber Septim in his later years. In early Altmeri legends, Stendarr is the apologist of Men.

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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:34 pm

There is some book where Ebonarm stops a battle. He's also rather Nordic in character.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:20 pm

Says he's the precursor to Stendar right? The god of not killing your enemies, eg. mercy.

See also:

Stendarr (God of Mercy): God of the Nine Divines, Stendarr has evolved from his Nordic origins into a deity of compassion or, sometimes, righteous rule. He is said to have accompanied Tiber Septim in his later years. In early Altmeri legends, Stendarr is the apologist of Men.


Yes, and Reymon is the cause of the end of that battle. Also, in The Ebon Arm he is depicted as a nord, or at least nord features. And he fought "the titanic battles in the youth of this world".

Maybe he evolved into Stendarr, from standing up for righteousness through war into doing the same through mercy?
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:16 pm

Yes, and Reymon is the cause of the end of that battle. Also, in The Ebon Arm he is depicted as a nord, or at least nord features. And he fought "the titanic battles in the youth of this world".

Maybe he evolved into Stendarr, from standing up for righteousness through war into doing the same through mercy?

I see that as a possibility. or it's another name for the same being, as Nords find combat to be justice, where Imperials choose to "talk through" thier problems and be "merciful" to thier enemies by enslaving them instead of killing them outright.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:17 pm

http://www.imperial-library.info/nine_divines/

Daggerfalls description:

The Temple of Stendarr is dedicated to the God Stendarr, the Patron of Mercy. They are among the greatest charitable institutions in the land. Stendarr is the God of Mercy and His temples attempt to carry His message of peace to all Tamriel. You can judge their success for yourself.

http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b067_ebonarm.shtml

Reading Ebon Arm again I get the feeling though he was nothing more then a player character. He's described as people describe their character in Morrowind/OB general, by their looks and possessions rather then their character.

So a follower of Stendar perhaps.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:42 pm

OH, okay... Thanks for the help!
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:13 pm

im sure there were temples to Ebonarm in either arena or dagger fall :S

there was also a prophecy about him building an army in his own real made up of fallen warriors from nirn (i assuming he has given them imortality) to fight in some kind of end game type war. if i remember right he was also an enemy of all things elven (that may have been a other god but there was definitely a ancient imperial/nord god who hated elves). and im sure he was worshipped by imperials in daggerfall, he was definitely worshipped by redguards aswell.

Basically the human god of war.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:47 pm

http://www.imperial-library.info/nine_divines/

Daggerfalls description:

The Temple of Stendarr is dedicated to the God Stendarr, the Patron of Mercy. They are among the greatest charitable institutions in the land. Stendarr is the God of Mercy and His temples attempt to carry His message of peace to all Tamriel. You can judge their success for yourself.

http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b067_ebonarm.shtml

Reading Ebon Arm again I get the feeling though he was nothing more then a player character. He's described as people describe their character in Morrowind/OB general, by their looks and possessions rather then their character.

So a follower of Stendar perhaps.
He has his own faction and temples though, and it is listed as the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ebonarm#Ebonarm.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:22 am

He has his own faction and temples though, and it is listed as the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ebonarm#Ebonarm.


Figures, gods of peace don't like competition. :P

Anyway, the end all is that Ebon Arm is too crude to fit in properly. Which is understandable, he is only a regional deity so he doesn't get a fresh coat of nuance with every game. Sure he can be made to fit but he'll lose 'status' compared to the Aedra and Daedra.

So my suggestion remains to see him as once a follower of Stendar. It is possible to relate these two opposite gods because the truth is always much more nuanced then it's descriptor card. Stendar is more then peace, he's more often called mercy or righteous rule. In his Nordic guise he's a warrior, a clever one that captures rather then kills.
We should be able to say the same about Ebon Arm, perhaps not so much a god of war as a god of soldiers and fighters. One they sacrifice too say that their enemies may have mercy and that they may life and this this how Ebon Arm showed himself in his only myth.

How he became divine, I'm afraid we'll never know. Perhaps he once realized that it is better to be merciful then to hope to receive it. Perhaps he once realized that only through war one could accomplish peace. Or perhaps, he was a merely a hero dedicated to Stendar that once wandered up to a battle field, heard the arguments from both sides and in doing so they realized their mutual stupidity. Once witnessed by thousands his name would be whispered by millions in prayer and there he was.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:57 am

As soon as he gets a cool name, then I'll go in. Until then, nothing but a dead television set.
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:11 am

As soon as he gets a cool name, then I'll go in. Until then, nothing but a dead television set.


Ebon Arm's not a cool enough name for ya?
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:02 am

Yes, there are indeed mosques dedicated to Ebonarm in Daggerfall.

Not only is he an enemy of Stendarr, apparently, he also is opposed to a sect of the Mage's Guild and many Daedra. Specifically Clavicus Vile, Mehrunes Dagon, Molag Bal, Hircine, Sanguine, Peryite, Malacath, Hermaeus Mora, Boethiah, Namira, Meridia, Vaernima, Nocturnal, Mephala, and Azura.

Nobody likes poor Ebonarm.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:08 pm

A while ago I was asking about Ebonarm. I got more answers reading this thread than the one I started.

Where is all this written? I found very little about him in the Imperial Library.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:30 pm

Where is all this written? I found very little about him in the Imperial Library.


What exactly are you referring too?
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:48 pm

I found the article about the two meeting armies and the Pantheon page in UESP.net where it says he has shrines in Hammerfell and that he opposes the Daedra. I found nothing about ransoms, or Stuhn or the prophecy of him resurrecting ancient herores.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:59 am

I found nothing about ransoms, or Stuhn or the prophecy of him resurrecting ancient herores.


You can read about Stuhn in http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml. Now I couldn't find the resurrection of Heroes discussed in this thread, only my suggestion to treat Ebon Arm as a Hero. Kinda like how Reman or Phynaster are treated as Culture Heroes.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:41 pm

You can read about Stuhn in http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml. Now I couldn't find the resurrection of Heroes discussed in this thread, only my suggestion to treat Ebon Arm as a Hero. Kinda like how Reman or Phynaster are treated as Culture Heroes.



I kinda assumed that as well. I'm sure each province/area has its own cultural heroes who are worshipped as demigods.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:08 pm


As soon as he gets a cool name, then I'll go in. Until then, nothing but a dead television set.


Don't writers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien? And what is this "television set" you speak of?
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