No worries Taynio - 946000 is both playing Jyg and getting overexcited at a chance to quote paw-print's big shout - lol. (hrnn hmm, clears throat - Pelinal - lazers - MK = yes you have 946000) Your point about light being energy is well taken Taynio - since light exists in ES - as well as physics and there are deserts and jungles etc as well as destruction spells that create fireballs that have a light component etc, why not?

I prefer my idea about an early form of Turn Undead - but it could be either or something totally different - so there's no reason for anyone to shout

If you like 'practical' mods Taynio then follow my sig to The Wormhole and find the CraftyBits section of the Forums - there are a lot of DIY options in that package and environment upgrades. CLShade is adding more all the time, right now his team is working on dig your own mines, salvage, horse and cart with revolving wheels, cutting timber and even schools of fish - there's a long list that will go into the next big release.

Just because light doesn't deal damage doesn't mean its not a potent spell. For example, a high-enough intensity beam could simply burn out their corneas (I think so, at least, I'm no eye doctor), and even if they are undead, they still need eyes to see. A bunch of stumbling zombies who can't see you can't exactly hurt you...unless you have really bad aim or terrible BO.

I seem to have stumbled upon another connection between "Light" and damaging spells:

The http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Aurorans use a damaging spell called "Light that Burns" that both does Shock damage but also casts an Illusory Light spell. (Their protective shock shell is called "Light that Protects") Umaril himself uses "Mortal Light" which doesn't cast the Light effect but which does a lot of damage, and in the Song of Pelinal was said to be "bathed in Meridian Light".

It seems logical to me that perhaps in lore Aurorans and other servants of Meridia, who was once Aedric, use damaging Light spells, but due to the restrictions of the game engine (namely the fact Light spells in Oblivion don't do damage but simply light up a room), a Shock effect was added to account for the damage.

So that's another possible vague connection between the Aedra or at least the et'Ada in general and the concept of "Light Damage". *shrugs*

It's not much but it's mildly interesting to me, especially for the RP'ing possibilities.




I've seen the entire trilogy numerous times and read the book twice. I know about Gandalf and his abilities - but he was no Battlemage or even Wizard. He was a being comparable to an Archangel in the guise of an old bearded man, so that ability was less a spell and more a Divine Ability. Although, as I said, the abilities used by Aurorans or certain mortal champions such as the Paladins occasionally mentioned in Lore may be less spells and more inherent Abilities as well.

Light is an Ayleid (Greek) element.

Hairdo Galosh Jam:

A poetic description of magic powers should not be confused with a specific description of exactly which spell effect was used. The only thing it describes is that it was magical. Streams of Light are used to describe anything from impending explosion, the forces of good, mental energies, khamahamea, radiation, great powers and even orgisms. Yes.

It's about representation, not identification. Light can be used to represent something, but when two things are both represented by light it doesn't make them the same.

You also can't compare the Meridian Light, with the beams Galerion shot. The former have over tones of radiation, while the latter comes of as the cliched power of good. Sure, both might be represented using light effects but this is gameplay, not lore.

Absolutely. I heartily approve of this type of magic being in the Skyrim game when it comes out. I've always been quite partial to the Nord women...big, full bodied, hearty women they are.

Ahem.

Anyway point taken. I believe we've done about all we can do in this thread. I think it was an interesting little discussion. Certainly one that hadn't been done before 100 times!

heh - that means I can comment on that LotR stuff now?

Remember the poem: Three Rings of the Elven Kings

Basically they always had them, Sauron never got his dirty paws on them, and it almost appears they represented, enhanced and maintained inherent qualities of the being that wore them.

Remember Galadriel and her mirror? Water in a stone bowl and then she touched the water with her ring. So the rings could be used because Suaron lost the one Ring. However Sauron has a Seeing stone of the Men of the West - of Numenor and used that to search. When the mirror focused on Sauron his eye was drawn there - but Galadriel, using her ring was able to ward off his gaze - approx in her own words = the dark Lord was not strong enough yet to pierce her protections.

Likewise Gandalf did use the power of the Ring he carried. But with the Balrog he called upon other powers - something about an ancient power and a Great Council - possibly that which banished Sauron from the West in the first place - but from way before the Rings were made. They were forged in the fires of Orodruin - and Sauron only arrived there after he had been defeated and expelled from the far West.

edited: I didn't think Gandalf was in any way an angel or archangel, but Taynio is correct and (my bad - it was only 45yrs ago I last read LotR) he was actually a spirit being manifest as an ancient human being and he was a Wizard - and in Middle Earth that is no little thing. Basically it would apear that both his inherent magic and his connection to the elven homelands sustained him - until he passed back into the West. He was aging rather than dying - but he felt that returning to the West was the proper thing to do. The same is true of the high elves. end edit

Regarding the film - that came half a century after the book and though JRR would have had to be impressed by the graphics - I doubt he would have approved of much of the casting and representations of Lore. The film is deliberately skewed for reasons of propaganda and political correctness ... not something JRR ever bowed down to when writing. People of his generation look at that sort of thing as childish and obscene.

easy peasy lemon squezy.
you can make this spell for a cost(oblivion)
got to mages guild
make spell:light 60 for 5secs
bolt60for5secs
turn undead(or whatever its called)60 for 5 secs
go on dare you to try it :celebration:

Lol oh my, I think you need to read this

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Gandalf

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Istari

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Maiar

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Valar

It'll explain why Gandalf, Sauron, Saruman is what they. I won't spoil it for anyone by typing it in here. If you want to see, click the links.

gotcha - I was forgetting the Silmarillion etc - though that was never completed. Basically JRR revised everything he had written during the day when he met with his children in the evenings to read it to them. We are never going to know now where he might have taken things - but I understand the pen and paper RPG has gone a long way.

Gandalf and Saruman being Maiar and not humans has been pretty established in a number of Tolkien's writings.

In LOTR Anor is the Sindarin word for the sun, although some Sindarin has its roots in High Elven speech, as the languages both stem from a common root, from when the elves were as one people, the Quendi, so could be the same word in both. Note that High Elven was outlawed in Beleriand by Thingol, and Sindarin is the most common elven tongue spoken by Elves of any kind, and it is from here that the Common Speech may be derived. Thus, wielder of the flame of anor could be a reference to the power of the sun, which Morgoth feared. However, the wielder of the secret flame may also be a reference to the Secret Flame, which resides with Illuvatar, and is a reference to the power of the Valar, Maiar and Ainur.

In TES there is no natural light. Light comes from the sun. The sun is the hole tore by Magnus. Magnus is magic.

I still say it's a high level turn undead spell that is "on target" and probably mixed a little with the light spell.

Battlemages probably went to their closest spell-making alter or spell maker and created a "banish undead" on target spell with an even higher intensity targeted "light" spell just for aesthetic purposes. It's not rocket science... it's wizardry.

It was a group of mages made the spell, right? So it's possible the light component was for targeting purposes - so that as a group they could co-ordinate their efforts. and get maximum impact wherever they wanted to target.

It does occur that it would be useful to know what they were affecting and what was resistant to that spell - kinda useful when facing hordes of undead that do not scream in pain etc.

Edit: Nvm, didn't format right.