Hi! The topic says it all. Otherwise, ATM my game is working like a charm, but when I installed B&M, it would CTD whenever I load a game. I deactivated Open Cities and now I'm able to play (probably OC CTD'd the game because the faulty Bravil is in the same worldspace), but Bravil is still not right. I can't open the city gate, instead I can just walk through it. Inside, all of the buildings are missing textures, I can't enter any buildings, etc. I've reloaded it once, reinstalled it several times, tried to mess with load orders (by default I use BOSS) and install orders from Wrye Bash (I've installed it with BAIN). Am I missing an ESM or something, cause this is just plain weird. Oh, and I have ArchiveInvalidationInvalidated and never had problems like this before. Load & install orders follow..

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]08  BetterMusicSystem.esm09  HorseCombatMaster.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.5]0B  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0C  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp12  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp15  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp16  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]17  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]18  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version Final]19  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp1A  MIS Low Wind.esp1B  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp1C  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp1D  Storms & Sound.esp1E  Rainbows.esp1F  WindowLightingSystem.esp20  ImprovedSigns.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]21  P1DmenuEscape.esp22  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.3]23  sr_super_hotkeys.esp24  DLCHorseArmor.esp25  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]26  DLCOrrery.esp27  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]28  DLCVileLair.esp29  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2B  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2C  DLCThievesDen.esp2D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2E  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2F  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]30  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp32  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]33  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]34  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp35  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]36  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]++  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]37  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]3A  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]42  DLCFrostcrag.esp43  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]44  Knights.esp45  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]46  Blood&Mud.esp47  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]48  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.5]49  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]4A  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4B  xulTheHeath.esp4C  XulEntiusGorge.esp4D  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4E  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]4F  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]50  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]51  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]52  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]53  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]54  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]55  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]56  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]57  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]58  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]59  xulPantherRiver.esp5A  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5B  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5C  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]5D  xulBlackwoodForest.esp5E  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]5F  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]60  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp61  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0]62  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]63  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]64  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp65  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp66  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp67  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]68  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]++  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp69  MotionBlur.esp6A  NRB4 OCLR Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]6B  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]6C  Bashed Patch, 0.esp6D  Streamline 3.1.esp6E  NoLoadMessage.esp

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Removed a couple of inactive packages from the list. Thank you for any help!

E: I'm aware that I haven't installed a couple of compatibility patches for B&M and other mods, but I've tried that already (FCOM, UL, AWLS). It shouldn't have any effect with the mod working or not though, should it?

I don't see FCOM Blood & Mud... think you need that.

No. There is no "faulty" Bravil. If it CTD'd your game, you simply didn't install it right. Probably left out the ESM file that goes with Open Cities.

Missing meshes and textures are an entirely different matter which would indicate you didn't have the B&M resources properly installed. Maybe they're not sorted properly in the archive you used for BAIN?

I don't know why, but Open Cities works perfectly for me, until I install B&M (CTDs). And I'm sure Open Cities.esm was always enabled. Uninstalling B&M resolves the issue, so the CTDs must have something to do with these mods. Note that I'm in no way blaming OC for this or anything, the mod is awesome. Bad file structure shouldn't be the culprit either, it's just a simple ~290 Mb (uncompressed) sized .7z-package with following folders:

-meshes
-sound
-textures
-video
-blood&mud.esp

+ readme & pics

E: By "faulty Bravil" I meant the not-working B&M Bravil, not the OC Bravil, which is fine.

Make sure when you install it that the load order is also correct. If B&M ends up out of order and you're also trying to use the OC B&M setup for Bravil, it's possible the mods are no longer in the correct load order and that can cause CTDs.

I re-ordered the mod list every time with BOSS after installing B&M. Even tried moving the mod all the way up or to the bottom of the list. I was trying to use the OC Full + Leyawiin Reborn + B&M.esp, since I'm also using LR. Well, this mod probably would've bogged down my system to a crawl with RAEWD, QTP3, OC and whatnot installed, I hear that it's also quite resource intensive. :flamethrower:

Yes, B&M is very resource intensive, especially in combination with UL Bravil Barrowfields. It sounds like you'll probably just need to decide which mod you want more at this point. Your PC may not be up to the task of handling everything in Bravil this way.

And UL's on the list too. I do have a fairly powerful PC though, 4 gigs of ram, HD 5850, phenom II x4 965be 3,8GHz. But Oblivion being an old game..well, you know :foodndrink: B&M's definitely the one which is going to be left out, I just thought that I'd give it a try. Curious though that I can't get it working at all.

I can run all of those. Are you using WeOCPS Oh, I do not use OC, just BC...

I'm not using WeOCPS at the moment. Still the issue is strictly with Blood&Mud, because in any case the textures in Bravil are not showing right and I can walk through buildings when B&M is installed.

maybe try this ...ready Omod including all 3 parts

http://www.planetoblivion.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=857&Itemid=73

I do not see how regular B&M would work with OC because OC moves the cities in to the general worldspace...

OC is modular, so it would be possible to have all other cities open and the b&m Bravil closed. And Open Cities contains a compatibility patch for B&M to make it open too. In any case, I tried B&M with OC turn off and didn't manage to get it working. I'll probably give the OMOD version a try when I've got the time. Thanks for the suggestions!

Do you have the correct UL patches for it? I have not seen it in your LO, so I do not know how you are on that end, but if you are not using the OC version of Bravil, then, with the right patches, you should be able to get B&M Bravil to work. Walking through them sounds like the wrong worldspace, I think. It sounds like you left the OC version there or something...

When I first installed B&M, I installed all the UL compatibility mods, but only for the first time because AFAIK the UL patches should only affect LOD and landscape outside Bravil. I'm pretty sure I didn't leave any OC files since I've installed it with BAIN, and uninstalling it SHOULD remove everything related to it. Oh well..I've spent the last couple of days just re-installing mods and debugging, I'll probably give it a rest for a while. I'm not sure if you remember, but about a week or two ago I posted about not getting my game working after reformatting Windows. I decided to reinstall everything from scratch and your TESIV:POSItive -site has been of HUGE help, especially with using BAIN and such, so thank you very much for that! :clap: