Japan and how it could have influenced Operation Anchorage a

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:20 am

*Please note- do not be afraid to enlighten me about my ignorance to the subject of the American or Chinese nations during the time before the attack on Alaska. I do not claim know what I am speaking about. If you perceive me as not knowing about something please speak up. Any and all criticisms will be looked at as being helpful unless given in a rude or sarcastic manner. I do appreciate any enlightenment this community can give me on this subject or subjects in this post. Thank you in Advance.

*I am going to add a poll to this thread in hopes that it makes it a little better for people to respond to this post in a way that they just have to click a button :blink:

Lets see, Based on the idea that the Socioeconomic elements of Fallout are prolonged from the 1950's we can gather that Reconstruction continues in Japan during this previous 100 or so year time frame, which for all intense and purposes, seemed to be funded by the United States which continued its occupation of Japan post World War II up until the 2050's. The Social changes that took place with in the Fallout Universe would have been prolonged most likely. Including democratic elections and universal suffrage, though the military presence would have changed after American Armed Forces were withdrawn from the country after adopting its Seclusion/Nationalist policy (A policy that the Japanese once lived by to keep its culture protected from outside influences) along with adopting a partial Mercantilism Economic Theory to prevent products from foreign countries shipping goods that may have been exposed to the Plague. After the discovery of the plague and the nuclear attack on Tel Aviv, Isreal. I think some of the things we could have seen Japanese Society be influenced by are elements of warrior honor and dedication as a resurgence of Samurai Traditions were being experienced in Japan during the 50's with many movies like Seven Samurai by Akira Kurosawa(Which later was adapted into The Magnificent Seven with Steve McQueen and Yul Brynner) and also the idea that radiation could create impressive monsters such as the giant fire breathing Lizard in Gojira by Ishirō Honda (The first Godzilla movie) which both came out in 1954. The Influence of the Yukuza crime syndicates were also in full swing no doubt.

The heighten fear of an invasion from a combined Korean/Chinese Military would have no doubt brought fear to many of the Japanese people. With Korea being held back as the lap dog to China. This sort of experience would have been profound as America decided to pull its troops out of South Korea and Japan, thus allowing for great plot device, this troop withdrawal would have led to North Korea invading South Korea, possibly, over the 38th Parallel with Chinese re to unify the whole of the Korean Peninsula under a North Korean Communist government. Thus making the political situation possible for leveraging Japan into becoming forced allies with China during the Invasion of Alaska. I feel that China making Japan into a vessel State would be the probable action and then setting up a Shadow Government that slowly took over the Japanese Democratic government would have also been possible, which would have have some great plot dynamics if used by a gifted writer.

Now getting back on subject here, the resulting fear of the Japanese populace with regards to a Korean Invasion would have made becoming a vassal state very prudent for Japan. It could be gathered that China would have unleashed Korea and its own Army on Japan if they didn't act accordingly to the Chinese political demands, and as many people who have driven in downtown Seoul can attest to, giving a Korean a Drivers License and a vehicle is like giving a crazy man a knife and asking him not to kill someone. Now, getting back on track, yet again, This political action could also have been reinforced if China decided to invade Taiwan before the Invasion of Alaska, which subsequently would have taken place a few years before China attacked Alaska and made Japan its lap dog.

Now with this in mind, and the close ties American Service Men and the Japanese would have had. I feel it would have made the U.S. High Command incredibly more then having a small desire to attack China over its transgressions towards Japan by, an at the time, oppressive Chinese government. The Advisory committees would have feared the troops being exposed to the Plague and bringing it home. With this shared Paranoia, add to this the fact that the American President at the time would have decided against exposing troops to the plague and the Military action which would have great helped in influencing the Chinese in making their decision to go into Alaska. Thinking that America wouldn't help Alaska because of its blatant snub and refusal to help the South Koreans, Taiwanese, and Japanese Governments and of course the stigma that the U.S. was paranoid about the Plague. It isn't hard to imagine these once Democratic Nations now shadows of their former selves as the tools that would influence the Chinese to attack the U.S. given that they felt they could with out penalty take over Alaska. These feelings would have made many of the citizens of what were the mostly Democratic nations of South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan incredibly upset and their desire to aid the Chinese very profound. However, for some their resolve and their close American ties would make many of them seek to sabotage the Chinese forces. Now the South Koreans, Taiwanese, and Japanese who would have supported Chinese rule would possibly have made things difficult for portions of the populaces who still clung to American culture. These dilemmas could have caused many to become completely alienated by their Chinese oppressors and this would come to impact the Chinese during the invasion of Alaska as the former South Koreans, Taiwanese, and Japanese, who most likely would have been used as fodder, would desert their ranks because of their close ties with America, no doubt looking for political asylum and giving much needed intelligence about troop movements and technology.

I could go on but very little is known about what happened at this time and of course all of this is speculation, but I would like those of you who have opinions on this to please help me with these ideas.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:59 am

Japan...

I think its irrelevant and besides lets not go all crazy about Refugees from South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. Fallout is a Story that should stay state side and shore up everything that is going on in the former U.S.S.A. and not be expanded on until Bethesda does the expansion of the lore. I would hope you might enjoy looking at the wiki every once in awhile it may help you with your story if you do desire to take this farther. I however wouldn't waste my time on this because it just seems like such a waste sense your history could become useless with what ever Bethesda writes as canon.

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Chloe Botham
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:36 pm

China invaded nearby counties for their oil resources before they invaded Alaska, that is known.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:23 am

China invaded nearby counties for their oil resources before they invaded Alaska, that is known.


Every country in world cares about oil not just China.
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Cesar Gomez
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:35 am

during wwII,japan actually invaded alaska
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:26 am

Every country in world cares about oil not just China.


I guess you skipped the part of the timeline were the European Commonwealth invaded the Middle East and keep fighting until the oil fields there run out, then it collapsed and the European Commonwealth broken off.

That happened in 2060 ... so Europe and the Middle East are gone due to a 8 years war that reduced both side to ruin, that kinda takes most of the western powers off the table and what we have left?

The Soviet Union did not take part of the Great War, reasons unknown (likely because they had enough oil and were not as hard pressed as the European and Chinese) and I doubt it was a member of the European Commonwealth ... China cared about oil like everyone did but the key difference is China COULD do something about it with their large army and nuclear weapons and they did ... of course they were pressured into it by nearly running out of fuel and the USA unwillingness to trade oil with then giving then not much of a choice.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:28 pm

I guess you skipped the part of the timeline were the European Commonwealth invaded the Middle East and keep fighting until the oil fields there run out, then it collapsed and the European Commonwealth broken off.

That happened in 2060 ... so Europe and the Middle East are gone due to a 8 years war that reduced both side to ruin, that kinda takes most of the western powers off the table and what we have left?

The Soviet Union did not take part of the Great War, reasons unknown (likely because they had enough oil and were not as hard pressed as the European and Chinese) and I doubt it was a member of the European Commonwealth ... China cared about oil like everyone did but the key difference is China COULD do something about it with their large army and nuclear weapons and they did ... of course they were pressured into it by nearly running out of fuel and the USA unwillingness to trade oil with then giving then not much of a choice.


I believe it was the U.S.S.A.

Yes I am correcting myself just as much as you. Because I have been reading the wiki. I forgot the USA took on a more sinister acronym.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:56 am

Wow, I never would have figured that you guys would be so unhelpful. I figured at least fallout fan would want to voice their opinion about this. I mean its great that you are telling me you dislike it, but at least tell me why you don't like it. Give me something to go on to at least improve what is here and where I can go with it. If you don't want to read it don't, but if you do, at least be so audacious to leave something behind to give me some idea what you like or dislike about it. Improvement in ideas only come from knowing what is wrong, and I don't see anything wrong until some one points out the flaws in the ointment. It is just like when someone works on your house if your sink leaks your going to tell the plumber he did a crappy job. I ask you for your help and I will thank those of you that help me improve this history and you will be cited for your help. I just don't want to go off and wright something that doesn't seem good with information that doesn't seem proper. I am just asking for information you may have come across and could possibly use to help this idea.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:00 am

What I think is likely is that China annexed Japan when the Resource Wars began, Same goes for most of the eastern half of the Asian Continent, it was likely all turned to Red China under the horrorific and barbaric communist government the reds had in place.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:43 am

What I think is likely is that China annexed Japan when the Resource Wars began, Same goes for most of the eastern half of the Asian Continent, it was likely all turned to Red China under the horrorific and barbaric communist government the reds had in place.


Thing is why would China Annex Japan... It has no Fuel resources and this goes for Taiwan and Korea as well. Now I have been reading that Japan has been using Biotech to make a form of seaweed that grows rapidly and they would be able to harvest it because it grows so fast (2 feet a month) and they would be able to get both Biofuel and Uranium from the Ocean with this process. This was a development that came out last year that Japan was going to try to implement this. However, keeping with the idea of 1950's and Tech from that Era I don't know why China would want Japan other then to have it be used as a buffer against an America attacked on China after the Alaskan Invasion. The question is would America having annexed Canada and using the plague as a reason to bring their troops home really abandoned Japan and South Korea knowing China was desperate for resources. I want to use the Biofuel and Uranium deal but for some I feel this would be braking from Fallout's Traditional Ideals. I just want to come up with something that a majority of people could find believable. I have to ponder over all of this stuff I have thought about but I will keep the idea of Japan being Annexed as an Idea. Let me know if you have any other thoughts in the future. :)

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:13 pm

@ Vault Tec CEO:

Although the game IS based on 1950's tech or their vision of the future, their technology developed and advanced faster then ours did, to be both as unsophisticated as ours but it was complex and high-tech none the less to even then. It's likely Japan was making his Biofuel in the 1990's era of Fallout's universe, if not far before hand given how fast their technology had developed. As for annexing Canada I have no idea.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:14 am

@ Vault Tec CEO:

Although the game IS based on 1950's tech or their vision of the future, their technology developed and advanced faster then ours did, to be both as unsophisticated as ours but it was complex and high-tech none the less to even then. It's likely Japan was making his Biofuel in the 1990's era of Fallout's universe, if not far before hand given how fast their technology had developed. As for annexing Canada I have no idea.


Yea The USA Annexed Canada...

in Fallout 1 there was a Video of two guys in Power Armor and one of them shoots a Canadian who is standing on his knees and waves to the camera after he shots the guy.

America wasn't viewed in very high regard from those at home or abroad for the Annexation of Canada. It wasn't like The European Commonwealth was going to be able to help as it was sapped from its war with the Middle East for the last remaining oil supply.

I have sort of been reading the Wiki to refresh myself on Fallout history. I just wanted peoples opinions on my evaluation of Japan. It just seems that I haven't been able to gather those, like yourself, who may give me some insight.

I would just like to thank you for your continued contribution to my thread Kosai. I hope more people will be up to sharing their opinions as well. :)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:31 am

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Alaskadeathtrapa.jpg
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