I was reading the article on the above quasi-ATF/DEA organization, and I noticed something strange. The BADTFL supposedly issued firearms permits, but as we all know, that no state that I am familiar with has a law that requires registration/licensing(perhaps maybe NY, or CA). So this now has me wondering....Did the Second Amendment, in the Fallout Universe get amended? If that was the case....then would the Fallout Universe America be more along the lines of 1984 or a "New Deal Nation" in the pre-war period?

They were obviously liberal facsists with 1950s conservative republican values.

So, most European countries are like 1984 because only people with permits can have firearms? Sheesh.

Saying that it's "along the lines of 1984" because of the Vault Experiment would be reasonable, but this is just silly.

Also, Orwell, the author of 1984 was British, not American, and Britain had had restrictions on gun ownership since around WW1.

Lets not go around "gun rights" ...

The BADTFL seems to be a merger of the ATF and DEA and considering the "red scare" I supposed there was some laws that created some form of gun control with the issuing of permits to prevent fifth column members to have access to weapons and ammunition.

Nothing for any LOYAL GOD FEARING AMERICAN to worry about, after all they would have no problems in securing a license ...

I wonder if perhaps, the inclusion of the "BADTFL" reference was simply a political statement by one of the designers? Though, it would indeed be a rather odd statement, since the game in question, promotes a fair ammount of violence, and vice.

Or something to simply emphasize the timeline divergence?

It could be, and I realise I'm treading close here, but perhaps the 2nd amendment was interpreted differently, with more stress on the first part, rather than the 2nd part.

What a law means depends on the person interpreting it at the time.

Another interesting point to consider....did CCDW and "Castle Doctrine" exist in the Fallout Universe...

I only know this "castle doctrine" from the time a lost tourist knocked on a door in Forida and was shot through it. The killer went free because of something like this.


Just imagine. You're lost in florida and have to knock on a senior's door for directions... and he's just been playing fallout 3 (not much else to do in retirement) gets carried away and shotguns you through it.

In my personal opinion, I would not in the least fault the eldery gentleman for his actions. After all, if some individual who is not known to me comes knocking on the door(outside of either the UPS Deliveryman, or Pizza Delivery) I too would have become suspeciou and no doubt readied a firearm. In this day and age, it is better to be safe then sorry...and to be honest, you should never knowingly violate someone's property unless you have notified the owner that you are comming over. The most important reason to have a strong entrench castle doctrine, is to protect the citizenry from potential harm. Also in all my lifetime, I have never once randomly knocked on someone's door to ask directions(its better to stop in at Speedway, or BP and get directions there). Its always better to have a good entrench home defense law, then to have lax laws, and allow criminals and deviants to victimize our citizenry.

How can you possibly consider anyone you do not know personally or from common rendezvous to be a threat to you based on no other facts or anything conclusive whatsoever? This is a saddening example of how extreme paranoia and fear of anything unknown is a standard amongst a lot of people "in this day and age".



Picture this scenario: an impressionable 12-year-old is riding his bicycle, exploring more of the town he lives in. He's cycling down a road he's never been down before, unsure of how he got there. He decides to ask one of the neighbourhood whereabouts he is and how he can get back to town, so he knocks on the nearest door. The owner proceeds to scream in the childs face for "violating his property" and viciously throws the kid out of the doorway back onto the pavement.

Is the child going to continue knocking on doors to find his way back? Of course not, he's completely shaken and just wants to leave. He'll realise that this is the norm in the town he lives in, and will eventually meet an unsuspecting passer-by in his own doorway with a friendly bullet to the face for asking directions to the nearest store.


I understand why you feel this way, and i'm not trying to judge you. It's this mentality I'm judging. It isn't healthy, people need to learn to be able to at least accept the other people around them, and maybe try to think a little more clearly before judging others so rashly. One life, live it? If that's the case, people have lost theirs over things like this. Lacks in morals, eh?

I'm going to close this thread in lieu of warning members for dragging real-world politics into the forums.

Anything that is a current political controversy, or any post that engages in any kind of political name-calling, will result in immediate deletion of posts and a warning with a suspension so that the temptation to repeat the offense is removed.