What "needs" importing into BashPatch? : IV

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:52 am

Hello all and thanks ahead of time for any replys. I appologize if this has been discussed before and I missed finding the topic. I'm posting this in its own thread because I think its really outside of the technical scope of what the WryeBash thread is for IMO, but if I'm wrong let me know and i'll ask a mod to remove it and i'll post there.

As for my question. I've been using Oblivion mods and Wrye Bash for a long time, but I've always had a question about what "does" and "dosn't" actually "need" to be imported to my bashed patch. I think I'm pretty sure of a few things, like; [Merge Patches], [Import Graphics], [Leveled Lists], and [Race Records], but What about the other things? How important is it that they be checked to import? I have a few others like [Import Inventory], [Import NPC Faces], [Import Names], [Import Relations], [Import Scripts], [Import Stats], [Content Checker] checked, but when I go through the checklist I do see that others have things in them that could be imported as well. The reason I have and havn't imported some things is because i don't know how they will effect non-imported mods, which is essentialy the reason for the question. Every import check that I have checked, I also checked off everything within the container as well, which also leads to; "Should i be importing everything within the containers as well?". Mod makers aside from the bash tags don't usually discuss how some of these things should be imported.

For referance, here's my load order;

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= Check ModsThis is a report on your currently active/merged mods.  Thanks again.=== MergeableFollowing mods are active, but could be merged into the bashed patch.* All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp* ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp* ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp* EVE_KhajiitFix.esp* FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp* FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp* FCOM_Francescos.esp* FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp* FCOM_Knights.esp* FCOM_TamrielicIngredients.esp* FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp* Fransfemale.esp* Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp* MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp* PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp* PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp* Ulrim's Horses - Knights patch.esp=== Active Mod Files:* 00  Oblivion.esm* 01  You Are Here.esm* 02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]* 03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm* 04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm* 05  Tamrielic Ingredients.esm* 06  Ulrim's Horses.esm* 07  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]* 08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b1]* 09  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm* 0A  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]* 0B  Armamentarium.esm* 0C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm* 0D  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.3.2]* 0E  BetterMusicSystem.esm* 0F  CM Partners.esm* 10  HorseCombatMaster.esm* ++  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp* 11  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]* 12  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp* 13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp* 14  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]* 15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp* 16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp* 17  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp* 18  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp* 19  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 1A  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 1B  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 1C  Fran Armor Add-on.esp* 1D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 1E  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 1F  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 20  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version Final]* 21  Soundscaper.esp* 22  AmbientDungeons.esp  [Version 1.3]* 23  [WIP]_Mysterious_Chest_(Combine_or_drain_soulgems)-2047.esp* 24  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.7]* 25  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]* 26  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.7]* 27  Reznod_Mannequin.esp* 28  wd purse of wonders.esp* 29  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.3]* 2A  Crowded Cities_Open.esp* 2B  Crowded Roads Advanced less crowded.esp  [Version 1.3]* 2C  Hov's Hotkeys.esp* 2D  DLCHorseArmor.esp* 2E  DLCOrrery.esp* 2F  DLCVileLair.esp* 30  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp* 31  DLCSpellTomes.esp* 32  MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp* 33  1AlexScorpionSneakingSuit.esp* 34  BlackLuster.esp* 35  BlackLuster 2SwordStyle.esp* 36  Exnem Pekka Pumps.esp* 37  Oonas_Outfitters.esp* 38  Reznod_Mannequin_HD[Eng].esp* 39  Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp* 3A  ANBMiniMicroBikini.esp* 3B  HGECUndiesHCup.esp* **  Armamentium female.esp* 3C  Slof's Horses Base.esp* 3D  HRMHorseArmor.esp* 3E  HRMHorseArmorSlofsHorsesPatch20.esp* 3F  Dude Wheres My Horse.esp* 40  HRMHorseCommands.esp* 41  DLCThievesDen.esp* 42  Tamrielic_Ingredients_cOMbo.esp* 43  FCOM_TamrielicIngredients.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 44  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp* 45  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 46  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp* 47  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 48  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]* 49  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp* 4A  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp* 4B  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* ++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]* 4C  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 4D  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 4E  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 4F  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 50  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 51  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp* 52  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]* 53  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]* 54  Fransfemale.esp* **  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp* 55  Demon_Consort.esp* 56  DemonEnergy.esp  [Version 1.1]* 57  eyja.esp* 58  Housewives v101.esp* 59  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp* 5A  OCC-KR-Patch.esp* 5B  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp* 5C  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp* 5D  MountainTower.esp* 5E  Naughty_Joana_01.esp* 5F  DLCFrostcrag.esp* 60  Ulrim's Horses.esp* 61  Knights.esp* **  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp* 62  Ulrim's Horses - Knights patch.esp* 63  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]* 64  Blood&Mud.esp* 65  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 1.0]* 66  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 67  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 68  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp* ++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 69  Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp  [Version 1.1.0]* 6A  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]* 6B  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.3.2]* 6C  Open Cities Full + Bravil Blood & Mud + Leyawiin Reborn.esp  [Version 3.3.3]* 6D  OCC-OOO-Patch.esp  [Version 2.2]* 6E  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]* 6F  Arch Mage Chest Remake OBSE.esp* 70  Arch_Mages_Robe_Enchanted_--_Master_Level-2205.esp* 71  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]* 72  BlackAzurasStar.esp* 73  DS Less Predictable Respawn.esp  [Version 1.1]* 74  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp* 75  Leviathan Soulgems.esp* 76  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]* 77  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.3]* 78  RenCorpseMod.esp* 79  RealisticHealth.esp* 7A  RealisticForceMedium.esp* 7B  RealisticMagicForceHigh.esp* 7C  KT_DetectHostility.esp* 7D  Natural Rings Limit.esp* 7E  Mighty Magick - Core.esp  [Version 1.2]* 7F  Mighty Magick - Magicka Pool Progression.esp  [Version 1.2]* 80  Mighty Magick - Side Effects.esp  [Version 1.2]* ++  Mighty Magick - Sigil Stones.esp  [Version 1.2]* ++  DLCSpellTomes MMR Patch.esp* ++  DLCThievesDen MMR Patch.esp* ++  OOO MMR Upgrade.esp* ++  Knights - MMR Patch.esp* 81  Mighty Magick - Restore Magicka Potions [OOO].esp  [Version 1.2]* 82  attack and hide harder v2.1.esp* 83  No psychic guards v1.2.esp* 84  RenGuardOverhaul.esp* 85  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp* 86  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp* 87  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp* 88  Enchanting Skill.esp* 89  GalerionLeveling-v11.esp* 8A  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp* 8B  Capucines Character Expansion.esp* 8C  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp* 8D  CM Partners.esp* 8E  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp* 8F  CM Partners NPC.esp* 90  CM Partners More NPCs.esp* 91  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp* 92  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp* 93  SPAWN.esp  [Version 0.2]* 94  AznarsLifeDection-3052.esp* ++  Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp* ++  Visually Enchanted Frost 2.esp* ++  Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp* 95  Aundae.esp  [Version 1.3]* 96  Aundae_OBSE_addon.esp  [Version 1.2]* 97  Bashed Patch, 0.esp* 98  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]* 99  Streamline 3.1.esp* 9A  nanosuit.esp

I'm asking so hopefully this helps more than just me.

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:36 am

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/bashedpatch/fcombashedpatch <-- guidelines

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:24 am

Tomlong THANKS for that, that helps a lot. I've read through a couple things rebuild my bash patch and gonna test it in a bit, and even found the section on outdated optimizations. Really does help. I havn't located a spot that explains exactly "why" things need to be checked and not, but I will read through the site and get a bertter understanding of what is being done.

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:34 am

Tomlong THANKS for that, that helps a lot. I've read through a couple things rebuild my bash patch and gonna test it in a bit, and even found the section on outdated optimizations. Really does help. I havn't located a spot that explains exactly "why" things need to be checked and not, but I will read through the site and get a bertter understanding of what is being done.

To learn what each of the tags does, read through the Wrye Bash ReadMe (click on the help icon in the bottom-right corner of the Bash window.) The tags are mod-specific. Why a specific mod has a certain tag can be very hard to explain. You should mainly trust the mods' ReadMes and (even more so) the BOSS masterlist, for your tag suggestions. (BOSS is just more up to date than many of the mods it sorts.)

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:16 am

BOSS I have been using, I had been letting it and Wrye bash's "Mark Mergable" denote the bash tags, but I was just a bit confused on what needed to be checked and why, and again what non-merged mods it effected. And I say about the non-merged, because i recall at some point a while ago, I had to unmerge something or another cause my save either didn't start or crashed at certain points, and i think i resolved it to an incompatibility between something merged and something that got overwritten because the bash patch was lower in the list, but with the sites suggestions I'll test now, and see how it goes.

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:05 am

BOSS I have been using, I had been letting it and Wrye bash's "Mark Mergable" denote the bash tags, but I was just a bit confused on what needed to be checked and why, and again what non-merged mods it effected. And I say about the non-merged, because i recall at some point a while ago, I had to unmerge something or another cause my save either didn't start or crashed at certain points, and i think i resolved it to an incompatibility between something merged and something that got overwritten because the bash patch was lower in the list, but with the sites suggestions I'll test now, and see how it goes.

Uncheck green text, purple text and italicized-text plugins, UNLESS they load after the bashed patch. Deactivating and merging plugins loading after the bashed patch defeats the purpose of their loading after. There should be no reason you have to unmerge plugins merged into the bashed patch (properly).

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/loadorder <-- explains some of the significance of "merged" and "pseudo-activation"