To the dev : Plans on anticheating?

Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:17 am

Tell me about it, you know the MW2 hacks have gotten so bad that it's to the point where the hacker can make you unable to connect back to the servers for an undisclosed amount of time? Not sure how Black Ops is doing with hackers. Only game I've seen hackers in.


Honestly I didn't but I don't play that game hardly. Knew its bad but that is ridicious, well that and every person messaging wanted to start or find a 10 prestige lobby.

My bro plays a legit 10 prestige. Why people feel the need to cheat their way to the top is beyond me.
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Post » Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:20 pm

Kills in Brink are almost useless, only time it should be focused is when you need to clear the area to continue. Only hacks as someone in another thread stated would be the hard to detect, Inf ammo and health. Increased Bullet Damage... then again thats the main hacks for any game.

Ugh! Stay strong brink! We'll keep you clean!
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:43 am

Kills in Brink are almost useless, only time it should be focused is when you need to clear the area to continue. Only hacks as someone in another thread stated would be the hard to detect, Inf ammo and health. Increased Bullet Damage... then again thats the main hacks for any game.

Ugh! Stay strong brink! We'll keep you clean!


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yessenia hermosillo
 
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:45 am

I hope everyone knows VAC is a joke. It rarely catches hackers - especially for newer games.

I don't understand why comanies (developers) don't partner up with Anti cheat programs made by users, such as ESL WIRE? It was a heavily funded program for catching cheats - and it has been doing it right.
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:15 am

You do realize PS3 and 360 have hackers right?
360 has more though.
Sony recently sent a police raid to a PS3 hackers house to stop him, too late i'm afraid. He released his PS3 crack about an hour before they arrived.


Err...cracking PS3 operating systems, and developing hacks for games are two different things...but of course can be done by the same individual
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:48 am

Err...cracking PS3 operating systems, and developing hacks for games are two different things...but of course can be done by the same individual

Cracking PS3 systems open allows the sync of Computer to the console. Now the console can receive and do things due to the computer, thus the connection of hacks.
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:19 am

Cracking PS3 systems open allows the sync of Computer to the console. Now the console can receive and do things due to the computer, thus the connection of hacks.

lol i dont think most people who have cracked ps3 care much for online play as they can download free games,but i agree cheaters need too stop being lil cry babes.i dont mind people camping but just plain out cheating just too win i would tell em too find a differnt game too play or go back too Wii.
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:40 am

uh why is it hackers? i mean come on any normal person can make a cheat.

False.

Everyone can be a script kid. Not everyone can make a hack and cheat on others.
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:46 am

Don't wanna open a new thread on anti-cheat plans...
VAC svcks !
Don't even understand why using this (f or s)ucking anti-cheat joke ! (or steam/steamworks force you to use it...)

I won't buy this game because of anti-cheat used...MW2 / Crysis 2 bad experiences for lot of us; gonna warn players about this...

(and yes running a script/cheat won't make you a hacker as running a game won't make you a game programmer)
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:29 am

VAC svcks !

VAC is probably one of the best anticheats out there, simply for the reason how it works.

If a hacker (or more often script kid) is using a whole bunch of hacks/scripts he will never know which one got him busted two weeks later, when he gets VAC-banned. It requires a lot more and difficult testing to develop successful hacks/scripts which go through VAC.
Also I think it scans your Steam-folder for hack/script exes and can ban you for having them already.
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:24 am

Ahh welcome to the FPS genre.

Back in the days of Counter-Strike, Quake, Doom, etc, there were no leaderboards - at all - It was a different time, but were there hacks? In abundance, yes, it may seem counter-intuitive to some, but most hackers aren't in it for their recorded heroics, no! They just liked what they view(ed) as being better than other people. Generally hackers are the lesser abled players, the kids that would be picked on in school, who are prone to failure, and rather then adjusting to their social surroundings, they simply get angry, bitter, and form false rationalizations regarding all things, becoming even more pathetic. This is the hacker.

It's a sad downwards spiral of despair and loneliness for these people folks. As long as we have people that excel, there will be people that inversely fail.


Can I save this quote?? It's by far the best way to explain a hacker and deserves the nod for it.. I'm not an elite player but I don't resort to cheating because there is no honor in it and it leaves an emptiness when you go 24-6 if you didn't get it honestly.. Even when I snipe, I know that a lot of people do it and I'm not ragging on them because they're necessary but when there is four at one time I don't want to play.. As for me, I don't even want my kill to count if I snipe, I feel cowardly..
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Post » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:45 pm

Hopefully the Anti-Cheat program is good and we don't encounter many hackers, we will have some though.
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Post » Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:06 pm

2 things:

1. 360 has the J-tag and PS3 has the jailbreak. It's out there....used alot....and is probly never going away. Simple remedy. Leave the lobby, find another and play with friends. That's more fun anyway.

2. People that say an anti-cheat is a joke or like this over that is more than likely based on the fact that they got caught or have been cheated against and feel as if the system is not doing its job. As stated before the ban is not immediate. It is set up that way to NOT let the cheater know which cheat source was found.....so in the meantime you are getting wall hacked or aim-bot shot to the fullest.
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Post » Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:20 pm

Tell me about it, you know the MW2 hacks have gotten so bad that it's to the point where the hacker can make you unable to connect back to the servers for an undisclosed amount of time? Not sure how Black Ops is doing with hackers. Only game I've seen hackers in.



O.O That sounds allot like the part of the story going on in a manga I am reading (well read cause no new releases for a while) But wow good thing I don't play Black Ops anymore.
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Post » Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:21 pm

Don't wanna open a new thread on anti-cheat plans...
VAC svcks !
Don't even understand why using this (f or s)ucking anti-cheat joke ! (or steam/steamworks force you to use it...)

I won't buy this game because of anti-cheat used...MW2 / Crysis 2 bad experiences for lot of us; gonna warn players about this...

(and yes running a script/cheat won't make you a hacker as running a game won't make you a game programmer)


You don't even try to support your argument, thus it is void.
A person can go around saying "This svcks and that svcks" but unless he/she has good reasoning behind bashing everything, he/she's just an ass.

Running a hack makes you a hacker. Hacker =/= Hack maker.
Running a game does not make you a game programmer. Game runner =/= Game maker.

And by any chance, have you been VAC banned?
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:47 am

The less we know about how the AC works , the less the hackers know. Period.
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:46 am

Don't wanna open a new thread on anti-cheat plans...
VAC svcks !
Don't even understand why using this (f or s)ucking anti-cheat joke ! (or steam/steamworks force you to use it...)

I won't buy this game because of anti-cheat used...MW2 / Crysis 2 bad experiences for lot of us; gonna warn players about this...

(and yes running a script/cheat won't make you a hacker as running a game won't make you a game programmer)


Well we all know who's getting locked out of brink servers.. And if you aren't going to buy the game then why are you posting?? Or even a part of the forums?? You sound like the crazy rationalist blabbing about half-truths and yet, nobody listens to you.. And you aren't forced to use VAC, you agree to use it because you are on their servers.. And it isn't steams anti-cheat buy Valve's Anti-Cheat.... Hence VAC.. No self respecting person would use a hack/cheat and claim that they're good because they aren't..
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Post » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:14 pm

Cheating......its funny that it is even possible. Doesn't a script or hack or cheat....whatever you want to call it, have to be able to work inside the coding? Why can't a developer close the coding out? I don't know the 1st thing about WoW, never played it, never will. But they seem pretty secure. What keeps other companies from doing this?
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Post » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:44 pm

Running a hack makes you a hacker. Hacker =/= Hack maker.

Hackers refer to people who use hacks but did not make them as 'script kids'. ;)
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Post » Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:10 pm

Uhmm....I have never run into a hacker on ps3 except for TF2 on the orange box a few times, but i don't play COD every day of my life so i don't know if there are hackers on ps3, for i assume that's where there are the most plentyfull because people would risk being banned or w/e what would happen to them just so they can have a perfect K/DR or 10th persteige or any other [censored] :confused:
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Post » Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:26 pm

Well, then theres my sad truth. Getting a VAC banned account without me even hacking on it.
Valve wouldn't give me my status back, so Ive got a useless account.

Thats even more fail. Had somewhere around 300 steam friends and lots of games.
I honestly don't trust VAC security at all. Once you're banned, thats it.

I can play Black Ops though, not sure why it didn't carry over there.




- :flame:

Edit: is it possible for VAC to see a program in the bg running as a hack when its not even effecting the steam files?


Okay, lets get this all straight. I played counter strike source since '04 and TF since '08, as well as about 15 other fps' from different companies. The Valve Anti-Cheat system is a big bag of [censored]. I know this from a first hand experience. VAC doesn't detect bypass' and/or close and run cheats. Which is about 20% of the cheats around. The cheats that update weekly, wont be detected simply because Valve doesn't keep up with them. You go on any server on CS;S as of right now, and even with their "Improved" anticheat system, there will still be aimbotters, wallhackers, bypassers, etc etc.

On another topic. You didn't get banned from Black Ops. That's because it's not massively produced by STEAM, but by Treyarch. I'm guessing you got banned from whatever you bought in a package, the Orange Box for example. But being put simply, if there is a console in BRINK for the PC, there will be cheaters whether or not there's actual hacks installed in the game. There's always wireframe in any game, and I know for a fact, Cheat Engine* will never be detected by VAC as well as mouse-hacks and click and hide cheat programs. As well as ORGANNER etc.

In conclusion, the cheat system was a HUGE disappointment, but there is still a few things we can look forward to, which has been said by Darksider:

I don't think they will be lot of those type of people in this game, since the game is not doing leaderboards, KD ratios and 1 Shot Headshots snipers, etc.


Console gamers can sit back and relax and if even possible come in contact with that 0.000004% of people playing the game that cheat..
But as for the PC gamers, all I can say to you is I hope there is no console/console cheats pre-programmed for the designers. Because if there's a will, there's a way. I don't like it as much as anyone else, I myself wont be playing on the PC. But I do have my final doubts that there will be cheaters as well.

Don't be scared away from purchasing the PC version though, one thing you all forgot to mention is that being good takes teamwork, and since there's no OSKs, you have nothing to really worry about. :) Happy Gaming. Cheers.
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:05 am

Can I save this quote?? It's by far the best way to explain a hacker and deserves the nod for it.. I'm not an elite player but I don't resort to cheating because there is no honor in it and it leaves an emptiness when you go 24-6 if you didn't get it honestly.. Even when I snipe, I know that a lot of people do it and I'm not ragging on them because they're necessary but when there is four at one time I don't want to play.. As for me, I don't even want my kill to count if I snipe, I feel cowardly..



lol if some1 is hacking/cheating and they only go 24-6.. They're doing it wrong. :thumbsup: But anyways, yeah I get what you're saying though.
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:38 am

I try to see the facts...anyone played Homefront?I mean how do u rate its "succes" in anti-cheating?
The good think (for more than 1 reasons) is that Brink not having Leaderboard mens no chance for Hackers to advertise their site...You know what i mean if u see Homefront Leaderboard.

So VAC maybe good but on the longrun only i think,not immediatly,and a game losses ppl easy if too many hackers invade and nothing will happen for weeks.

Hopefully this FPS because is more of a teamplay,no leaderboard etc will not have issues and the "report" option will be easy accesible to all.

Hope for the best!
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:21 am

or they can just ban the key so they cant get online,thats how i see it if you use cheats on a game get the ban hammer by killing the key so they cant get online with real players who want too play the game legit.
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Post » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:10 am

Well given a choice between PB and VAC, I'll always take VAC over PB.

With that said, nothing will ever beat having your own server or gaming on a sever that you know is controlled and actively administrated by people who know what they are doing.

While running a personal server isn't an option for everyone, making friends with those who do is always an option. Really is a great way to get into the community also, that is finding a group of players who run a server and making friends.

There will be hacks in the game starting out. Even though that is a sad truth, you don't have to let it ruin your fun.
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