Potema Empress? : V

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:51 am

I was speaking to Styrr and asked him about Potema.

he says "Ironically, if she were alive today, she'd be the only living member of the Septim bloodline. By all rights, she would now be Empress."

So does this mean even though it is currently the Mede empire, if Potema was to come back from the dead, she would become the Empress.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:08 am

It's not like she would just magically become Empress and that people would accept it.

"So what, Potema comes back to life and suddenly she's Empress?"

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:17 pm

Maybe not if she came back as a Draugr.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:08 am

She'd just need to bewitch Solitude to easily do that.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:25 pm

Indeed.

She would however have legitimate claim to the throne but it is extremely unlikely anyone would support her.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:44 pm

Judging from her background I have my doubts anyone supported her fully the first time she held the thrown. What makes you think she would need support, my guess is that she would take the thrown by force. Seeing how she's pretty much a lich she's powerful enough to take the thrown by force. Just my two septims though :smile:

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:26 am

No, not really...that's like saying if Reman or Alessia came back they would have a legit claim to the throne, the Septim dynasty is dead and replaced this is a new dynasty she holds no claim.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:52 am

Can you prove she has no claim.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:28 am

Mostly it's BECAUSE SHE IS DEAD seriously, nothing states she would actually have a valid claim to a throne besides one npc who can be wrong.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:18 am

I don't think people would like the idea of a skeleton on the throne.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:32 am

IIRC Harkon also mentioned that he was once a King as well.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:55 am

Really? Is there any sort of dialogue about that? Does Harkon mention it if you're on the VL side?

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:33 am

harkon was a king and he sacrificed 1,000 innocent people to gain Molag Bal's favor.
Serana is a sixy Vampire Princess.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:27 am

Yup, that means that Serana is a princess :wub:

It's a pity they didn't bother holding onto their royal power though.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:17 am

well Mede is dead....

However, The Elder Council has to recognize someone as Emperor before they can technically take the throne, do they not?

I don't see them Acknowledging her claim to the Throne... because she was dead, and the only way to no for sure it was her (and not someone masquerading), or that she was not under the Control of a Necromancer would be to light the Dragonfires, which Post Oblivion Crisis is pretty much Impossible.

but, to those saying "no, Septim Dynasty is done, its the Mede Dynasty now", the Mede Dynasty is no more either

Spoiler

Mede was killed by the Dark Brotherhood. you have to remember, in TES All Events are canon, its only the person who does them that is not. as such both the DB Killing the Emperor and the DB being defeated are canon (The "them being defeated" is just when the Sanctuary is raided and they move to Dawnstar).

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As such, I am sure the Elder Council will be searching in some form or another for some Relative of the Mede Dynasty. but if they can't find one, and a sudden descendant of the Septim Dynasty appears, I can see them possibly acknowledging their right to rule (Similar things have happened IRL with various European Monarchies).

However, I see them more likely the Elder Council would assign a Potentate before they would ever acknowledge Potema as Emperess

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:32 am

Except we don't know that, true saying the Medes dynasty is still around is speculation but so is saying it's dead. This is due to skyrim's horrible lack of lore detailing people, places and events outside of skyrim.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:51 am

If She was able to ressurect Her body, and chose to get support from those Groups that would support a return to freedom of Talos worship, She could easily become Empress with very little opposition. She Is a Breton, High Rock would support Her just because of Her reputation. The Thalmor would oppose any Septim, which would gain Her instant Allies in many Provinces. Being opposed by the Thalmor would give Her allies from outside of the Empire.

She is skilled in Speechcraft, and would not need to use Her Skill as a Necromancer to gain Power, She could have the Nords eating out of Her hands just from being able to use the Voice.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:45 am

Uh....saying she'll return Talos worship is speculation as is saying high rock will join her just because she is a breton.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:16 pm

What makes you think Mede II is the last in his dynasty?

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:30 am

Breton? Where is the proof?

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:45 pm

I don't even know, she is probably like the other septims a bunch of racial mixtures.

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:54 pm

well if akatosh was mercyful he would return martin back... i think i would preffer to see him then potema, i mean potema guards would be probably powerfull necromancers and beasts!

i dont think the population of tamriel wouldnt like that...

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:31 pm

Spoiler

The person who put the Contract on him was a member of the Elder Council, and according to most characters in that questline it is assumed he was doing it to increase his own "power" as a member of the Elder Council.

if Mede had a Known Heir, they would be crowned and the Position of power of the Elder Council would remain unchanged.

For the Elder Councils power to increase, it would have to mean there were no known heirs. In which case the Elder Council would assume Control of the Empire (as Happened in the Oblivion Crisis) Until an Heir could be found.

If no Heir Could be found, and the Alternatives were exhausted, the Elder Council would appoint a Potentate

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:45 pm

Potema is a Breton, because Her Mother was a Breton, The Wolf Queen Volume One :read:

» Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:58 am

Holy speculation, Batman!

You could also say things like:

Spoiler

Mede II's assassination was hired by his heir, who would then reward Mortierre for doing the dirty work.

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Mede II's heir is too young or incapable to rule in his own right, and Mortierre would be first in line for regency.

or

Mortierre was telling the truth all the time and all he wants is to remove the unpopular Emperor.

or

Mortierre simply thinks he can control the heir, whether or not that is true.

or

The Thalmor orders Mede II's assassination, to remove a vengeful emperor and replace him with a heir that could be much more friendly towards the Thalmor.

We can pull things out of our ass as much as we like but nothing in the game refers to any heirs to Mede II or lack thereof, so it's pointless to draw the line in the sand and say that Mede dynasty will die with Mede II.