Thanks for clearing that up for me.

the armour should need training. i know they did not do that in 1 & 2, but it was a good idea for 3. Furthermore, it should be very rare, and as long as when you kill a guy with power armour and it looks broken beyond repair on the screen, then i'd be happy with not looting.

If there is training I would like there to be at least two manuals somewhere in the wasteland we can find to learn. I don't want to have to hunt down the BoS and get them to help me. It's getting Old for me, FO1 and FO3 we need the BoS to get PA (Before OP that is). FO1 we need them to get it and FO3 we needed them for training. Still I think training is not needed.

but it makes sense you need the BoS. If i found a F-14 Tomcat in the woods by my house, i am pretty sure i would need my nations airforce to teach me how to use it. I am also pretty certain that they would need to trust me for some reason or another before they taught me.

Still first two fallout's did not need it. People over time could teach themselves how to use it. Might not know all the ins and outs of it right away but I am sure they could learn how to up it on.

Also if I came to the Western BoS with a suit of PA and ask them to teach me, they would put a bullet through my skull and take it. "Look the wastelanders deliver." or simply "Dumb-ass."

What if you are evil? With reputation system back the BoS will learn of you being evil. Why would they help you?

When you wear power armor you can't sprint only slow jog.

except most peoples game only lasts about 50-100 game days, and for most of that time you are traveling, fighting, and talking, not much time to learn a highly sophisticated piece of technology on ones own.

Well, actually, in Morrowind and Oblivion, Daedric armor(a.k.a. the best armor in the game, excluding artifacts) was not lootable off of Dremora(except in the occasional rare case in Oblivion), in Morrowind, Golden Saint armor was not lootable off the corpses of Golden Saints, and in Oblivion, Imperial Palace Guard armor was not lootable off the corpses of Imperial Palace guards. If others are only suggesting that power armor isn't lootable, then looting will still be in a way Bethesda would do it.

I was not talking about having to learn on your own during the game, just that it should be something you don't need training to use. Training to fix yes but not training to wear.

"Also if I came to the Western BoS with a suit of PA and ask them to teach me, they would put a bullet through my skull and take it. "Look the wastelanders deliver." or simply "Dumb-ass."

What if you are evil? With reputation system back the BoS will learn of you being evil. Why would they help you? "

but how could you wear it if you have no idea how it works? it's not just a normal suit of armour. I'm pretty sure someone who does not know how it works would even be able to properly take it off a corpse hahaha.

You have a point there could be things in the suit that tell you what to pull to undo the clasps. It would be hard to remove it but not impossible. Taking it off a dead guy, chances are that person was blown away and PA damaged to the point of being useless.

Again, if you are evil why would the BoS help you learn of to use a walking tank? It's kinda like them giving you a WMD. Second, the west coast BoS would just shoot you and take it.

A army manual or holotap on how to wear PA would be helpful. That way if you are evil you don't need the BoS to help you.

Daedric armor was still lootable off of corpses though at a certain level. Not dremora but you could still loot it off others.

choose your allies wisely. If you become enemies with the only people who can teach you how to use PA, that's your problem. Im sure the Taliban would love to know how to operate abrams tanks, but since they are enemies with the US, there is no chance of that happening.

I agree with you on that but a whole lot of people would be pissed if they could not have PA if evil. What if they want to avoid the BoS all together? Every type of character should be able to have PA at some point. If not people will hate FO New Vegas, Beth would lose money and Future fallouts would be in danger of never being made. Also I don't want FO New Vegas to be hated like BoS for PS2.

actually west coast BoS is not really good at all, they are very self serving and elitist. Also just because you are evil does not mean you can't be on good terms with the brotherhood, right? after all in the new game, karma and reputation are two different stats now, so it is entirely possible.

Well the west coast Brotherhood doesn't seem like a charity organization, so even if you needed training, you would need to do something very helpful for them.

Off-topic a bit: All this talk about the importance of training reminds me of the scene from Iron Man 2 with all the failed PA suit tests when the guy twists his torso 360 degrees and dies.

Why is ps2 bos despised so much? I never hear good things about it. Is it worth playing?

Well your not going to have good karma with bad reputation and vice versa so I'm not really sure why they have both. Its either you have good karma and good rep or bad karma and bad rep.

Well if you killed the BoS and got the armour from them they use as hell would not help you. They would shoot you on site. If you got the PA in some other way they might help you (If they don't shoot you for your PA) but you would have to do something for them. Kinda like FO3 but again that was annoying and was at the end of the game. That's why they give you PA training just by playing OP because alot of people complained. "I finally get PA and the game ends!"

I don't want to help the BoS by doing something simple like getting them X amount of lazer weapons. I want to have a really long quest.

Could have the BoS to train you but why not find an old PA wearing program in a military computer or a manual?




Because of numerous inconsistencies with previous Fallout games, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is not considered part of the official Fallout canon, however some of its content could be used as "flavor" material.

sure you can. reputation is faction specific. it is probably impossible to have high reputation with both the NCR and CL.

If you againts the CL youre gonna have a bad rep with them and probley good karma or vise versa

thats right
in the game the NCR don't care if you have bad karma, all they care about is if you do things that are good for them
and its the same for every other faction
they dont care what you do so long as it doesn't have any negative effects on their faction

What they said. You can be the evilest guy in the wastes, but if you've done nothing but help the NCR, why would they care what you do in your own time?

As long as it doesn't conflict with any of their plans, that is. So really, you'd just have to pick your targets more. Feel like slaughtering an entire town, but still wanna get in good with the NCR? Make sure you pick one with no ties to them. ^_^

Something that always bothered me about power armor and could explain the need to restrict it's access through gameplay... even if you just picked it up brand new off of a shelf, it has to fit for you to put it on. This isn't like a pair off jeans where you can throw on a belt and tighten it if it's too loose, these things are composed of airtight fitted metal components. They don't just have to work with your dimensions, they have to line up with your skeleton, joint for joint, hinge for hinge. Pulling a suit off of a dead body and having it fit would be like winning the lottery. The alternative would be to either have one custom made for you by a skilled technician, or "tailored" to fit you by a skilled metal worker.

Every other faction? How many factions are there? But I do see the point now I didn't know rep was just tied to factions because being extremely evil with good karma is like an oxymoron.

@styles I just read the bos review on ign it was for the ps2 and xbox? I thought it was ps2 only. And its only a 10 hour action game with light rpg elements sprinkled in? I can see why its so despised because it is a complete spin off title and isn't the open world free roaming rpg that 1, 2 and 3 are.