I know I'm going to get hate for this, and people telling me I'm simply complaining or blowing things out of proportion, But I don't care.

I sent this letter to Bethesda as i felt this issue needs to be addressed:

Dear Bethesda Game Studios,

I will try to be quick as I am sure you are busy. Fallout 4 is a perfect game in almost every way, and is an instant classic. It is a great improvement over previous titles and has added on to the ones that came before it. But with all that said there has been something that has been taken away.

The inability to be in a relationship with someone of the same gender during the pre-war parts is disheartening. While a more story based game understandably requires sacrificing general role-playing, this is something that leaves a great impact. My partner and I cannot fully immerse ourselves in the story and feel invested the way we should because of the guidelines that have been set for us. Bethesda has always been very inclusive and friendly towards those with different sixualities, this feels like a step backwards, and even more so as it is how you start the game.

While the main part of the game is set in the post-war apocalypse, where any human companion can be romanced, the pre-war parts of the game, the parts that try to get you to feel for how much you’ve lost in the war is less meaningful to us and not as engaging as it is meant to be. I implore you to implement some sort of patch or even paid DLC to allow people of the LGBT community to play the pre-war parts of the game in a way that allows us to fully experience the games emotional story to it’s full intent.

Thank you,

[name]

Call me excessive, tell me that the story dictates a straight relationship, or the 50s attitude doesn't allow it, or the baby is there despite the reality of adoption, this is important to at least some people and needs to be talked about.

Well i disagree, for alot of reasons. I can understand why you'd want it, i do too in some way. I just don't think that a developer or creator of anything should change their vision because they might end up offending or upsetting people. After all its not about catering to your needs, its about them making what they want. They wanted to have that type of marriage included and they did. After all your companions can be romanced by both sixes, and you can even have multiple relationships as i understand it (first game ever?). So your character is bisixual, i would meet them halfway and take it. You are of course entitled to your opinion, and i shared mine.

I totally see it that way as well. The game is completely a product of the developers vision, (wether the addition of same-six pre war is changing that much, or how much they actually care that it would offend people I won't start an argument on) and the game can be fully played regardless, it just feels out of the norm for Bethesda to do this considering their inclusive history and if they are willing to add it, good, if not fine. But there will be people who cannot get fully invested in the story the way the developers want them too, and will feel left out because of it.

Why? When did video games stop creating good entertainment just because you can't make the game start out with 2 guy or 2 girls shown in a relationship?

Its how you change your gender but than again if you have a magic mirror that can change your face anything is possible.

The game is completely fine, other than that one issue. But that issue spreads to more than just Fallout all things considering. But this is about the game, and there are people who will be disappointed they cannot truly immerse themselves in the story because of it. If this issue doesn't apply to you, thats fine. But you can't knock others who do feel left out.

Like I said the game is fine other than that issue.

lol

So you feel left out because you did not get to see you partner killed off in the first 5 minutes of the game. The whole story is find you son not the person that killed your man or your woman. The major part of the world lives this way. You may need to give game companies the idea to make a game that fits your lifestyle. But they are in business to make money. I am not sure they can have a blockbuster game baseded on a gay community. No hate intended in that statement just don't know how to say it another way.

I understand your point, and it wouldn't have taken much extra effort, but look at it this way; the game takes place in an alternate timeline branching off from 40's/50's culture and the sci-fi style writers of that time used.

That era was exceedingly closed-minded, and in this time line many of their ways remained the same. So it's quite possible that same-six relationships would have to have been hidden from the public eye. The characters wife (or husband) could be part of a marriage used solely to evade suspicion in an overly discriminating culture. Perhaps the husband/wife is simply an extremely close, life-long friend, while the characters real partner simply wasn't there at the time or the character was simply simple at the time.

No worries, no hate felt ^^

I am not too far into the game but I heard there will be more time spent int the pre-war era than just the opening part. Bethesda has shown on many occasions that they care about more than just the money in the games they make, and I fail to see how having a same six option would take that much away from those who want a heterosixual partnership.

I think if you couldn't be gay in the "real" part of the game it would be an issue, but you can romance Danse so it's not like Bethesda is actively against lgbt characters. Pretty sure the gun dealer in Goodneighbor is supposed to be trans as well. Was the beginning handled well in terms of sixuality/relationships? Not really, but again its pretty insignificant. The certain event that happens to your spouse is proof enough of that.

This is like asking why do we have a baby if we don't want to play as a father/mother...more story specific means more specific characters and the roles they play.

This. Who cares honestly? It's a video game, and up to the developer. Also as stated above homosixuals are a very very small percent of the world population, and thus not a crowd a company wanting money will cater to since most will relate to the setup situation in game currently better.

Bethesda always talks about giving the player freedom and choice, but not this time. Forcing the player into a domestic relationship then having bad things happen in an attempt to give their game some emotional content doesn't work. You would need, never in the budget, AAA writing to have any chance.

Todd Howard is always talking about giving the player the power to choose how they want to play the game. It is what Bethesda does best, but not how they started this game.

OP, isn't that what you're really talking about, freedom of choice.

In some ways, yes, but in others not really. I realize the more story = Less backstory ambiguity, but being gay or not has little itself to do with being a father/mother or not. In the context of Fallout 4 yes you are given a family, but they could have allowed a little more flexibility with that family since they already gave you the ability to customize nearly everything else about it.

As it all boils down too, yes. Thy set up this family and the plot as if you're supposed to feel for them when two thirds of them get vaporized, which would make any normal person upset. But I simply cannot care for someone I cannot biologically be interested in (or however you define sixuality) there fore the lack of choice in this aspect makes the story have much less impact than they want it too.

They touted all the "play how you want" but fell short on delivering that to one important parts someones life, not matter how "uncommon" it is. Therefore, people will feel left out and taken out of the experience.

There are a lot of stories to be told in books, movies and games. And all stories are worthy of being told. Some stories are of couples, some of singles, some of children, some of same six couples and some of heterosixual couples....this is a story and stories don't need to be your story. They can be anyone's story.

This is Fallout:4's story and really has nothing to do with your's or my personal story. How nice that you can take this story forward for yourself and make it one you want to unlike most books or movies. But it's fine to have the beginning be the story they wanted to tell.

I understand your desire to play something more personal but how would they implement an option to have 2 same six characters in the beginning when they're both fully voiced playable characters? The only way would be giving them both the same voice which would be weird.

On that note this story fits 99% of the people here. You all started with a mom and dad. Some of you may not have had that family last that long because of life. But I bet none of you started your life with 2 dads or 2 moms.

Point. Set. Match.

OP,

Sorry the story doesn't fit your life. I have no problem with LGBT folks, but I'm tired of those who think everything needs to be catered to them. If the game had a LGTB main character, I'd still play it and not even think about complaining because I am straight man.

You could probably lock the thread after that post, because it's all that needs to be said on this amazingly overstated topic.

While I won't argue that it is a good point, it IS supposed to be your story, and EVERYONES story, thats what the devs have said in almost every interview. It should at least try to fit as many different kinds of people that it can, considering how personal they want the choices and the story itself to be.

The reason people think we need everything "catered" to "fit out needs" is because we haven't asked for representation before in history (your kind of reaction would have happened no matter when general acceptance started to grow), and while I will say representation for the LGBT community does not fit in every story, it definitely should in a game that is toted as being so personal and unique to each player.

Why can't my son have some mental defect? Why can't I start as a midget? How far do they have to go. Like you said it fits most people right now. Do they have to send it in a candygram with guys in rainbow suits for you to feel like you have been proplery recognised in the game?

Troll alert

They never said it's "your story". They said you can go where you want to go and do things how you want to do them...and you can.

Please if you have a source where they said it's "your story", please share.