Pre-War Religions in the Wasteland

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:33 pm

I'm wondering when/where pre-war religions are alluded to or seen in the Fallout universe. I've not personally played any of the games before FO3 so I'm sure others can help me out here. So far all I can think of are:

-Lone Wanderer's father's constant allusions to that one bit of scripture
-Mormons of New Canaan
-Maria, Benny's gun
-Cachino referring to a man as acting like he's "the pope"
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:04 pm

I'm wondering when/where pre-war religions are alluded to or seen in the Fallout universe. I've not personally played any of the games before FO3 so I'm sure others can help me out here. So far all I can think of are:

-Lone Wanderer's father's constant allusions to that one bit of scripture
-Mormons of New Canaan
-Maria, Benny's gun
-Cachino referring to a man as acting like he's "the pope"
Pre War Religions that Survived.
Well you have Christianity. One of the soldiers in Camp Golf is Christian but i forgot his name. Cathcolism in Rivet City, Saint Monicas Church. Another is the Abbey of the Road. You have Dharma from original Fallout which was practiced by the villagers of Shady Sands. Then you have the crazy Hubologist from SF which parodies actual Scinetology.

New Religions
You got the Children of the Catherdral, and the Children of Atom. Then the Brotherhood is considered Quasi-Religious.

Tribal Religions.
Some tribes worship the dead like Suliks tribe. The residents of Oasis love nature and Caesars Legion worship Roman Deities.

Hope this helps, heres a link. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Religion#Enduring_pre-war_religions
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 1:25 am

Pre War Religions that Survived.
Well you have Christianity. One of the soldiers in Camp Golf is Christian but i forgot his name. Cathcolism in Rivet City, Saint Monicas Church. Another is the Abbey of the Road.

Yes, apparently Christianity has survived in some form, although it would appear that Roman Catholicism is the only denomination of which we have some evidence of surviving (although its not 100% confirmable, but it seems most likely that St. Monica's Church and the Abbey of the Road are Catholic).

Also since St. Monica is apparently a new "wasteland" saint (if you listen to Father Clifford's sermon) and Marcella the missionary from point lookout seems to recognize this Saint, we can assume that perhaps some governing body of the Catholic Church (or a variant of it) still remains and is still canonizing saints.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 9:27 am

Mormons in Honest Hearts.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 1:22 am

I don't recall any other mentions of pre-war religions in the orginal Fallouts. New religions have adopted pre-war symbols. There are the crosses used by the Children of the Cathedral and the Followers.

There is also Brahmin in Fallout. So Hindu?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:18 pm

yes and you also have traces if Cthulhu and Voodoo in the world!
And we also have those random locations in fallout 1,2 but those was more for fun type Monty python parody
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:59 am

There's that missionary lady in Point Lookout who wants to stop that ockult man, the Cthulhu worshipper, from getting his evil book back. She saying she's from some christian place she can't mention the location of.

Can't forget Joshua Graham's bible talk either, well, he's a mormon so that has already been mentioned.


I wonder if any Jehova's Witnesses survived? :P
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:50 pm

I bet Catholicism would survive regardless of what happened in America. It's probably likely someone would find something in the ruins of the Vatican.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:17 pm

Which religions do your characters follow in the wasteland?

Joshua is trying to get me to believe his religion, but he ain't buying it.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:31 pm

I bet Catholicism would survive regardless of what happened in America. It's probably likely someone would find something in the ruins of the Vatican.

The Vatican Museum holds a lot of art depicting Roman gods so those scavengers may get some conflicting information :tongue:
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:06 pm

The Vatican Museum holds a lot of art depicting Roman gods so those scavengers may get some conflicting information :tongue:
It really depends on what gets nuked I guess. But I could see it now, one large group with a mixture of both, and then they split and one going with Catholic stuff and the other roman mythology.

But they probally have some extreme high security vault in case of nuclear war (especially due to the cold war) to hide the pope and what not with bibles and stuff like that.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:22 am

But they probally have some extreme high security vault in case of nuclear war (especially due to the cold war) to hide the pope and what not with bibles and stuff like that

Vatican City is rumoured to have some sort of Fallout shelter and it would be much more than Bibles that survived. The Vatican Archives as far as I know is a fortified underground bunker built to withstand intense bombing and destruction.


Assuming it survived, it would be one of the most if not the most complete source of art, history, and european culture in the wasteland.

The Vatican Museum holds a lot of art depicting Roman gods so those scavengers may get some conflicting informatiom

From what we've seen from Point Lookout, there hasn't been anything to indicate that the belief system has changed much at all. Marcella mentions "breaking bread" with Father Clifford, there is still restrictions on clerical celebacy (aka Diego), Marcella perfoms a last act of contrition, and she mentions that the Abbey of the Road gathers religous artifacts.

And like I said, St. Monica being a new saint indiciates that there is still canonization occuring.
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From what we've seen from Point Lookout, there hasn't been anything to indicate that the belief system has changed much at all. Marcella mentions "breaking bread" with Father Clifford, there is still restrictions on clerical celebacy (aka Diego), Marcella perfoms a last act of contrition, and she mentions that the Abbey of the Road gathers religous artifacts.

And like I said, St. Monica being a new saint indiciates that there is still canonization occuring.
What are you suggesting? That the Pope canonised St Monica? Isn't it a lot more likely that Father Clifford or perhaps his predecessor just canonised Monica himself? It doesn't necessarily prevent the traditions that we've know are practiced from still being, only that it's likely that there isn't some central Christian/Catholic authority.

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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:19 am

What are you suggesting? That the Pope canonised St Monica? Isn't it a lot more likely that Father Clifford or perhaps his predecessor just canonised Monica himself? It doesn't necessarily prevent the traditions that we've know are practiced from still being, only that it's likely that there isn't some central Christian/Catholic authority.

No not really. But Marcella visited Clifford at his church and was glad she met "another man of the faith." She hadn't met Clifford before and she didn't appear to be put off that Clifford was (if he himself canonized Monica) "making up saints." She seemed to recognize Monica in any case and she came from the Abbey of the Road.

I don't think the Pope is still in Rome and the Catholic Church still the same as it was, but I think its clear that in the eastern U.S. at least, there is still some authority that is doing these canonizations. True in our world its only the Pope that can perform the act, but that may have changed post-war.



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No not really. But Marcella visited Clifford at his church and was glad she met "another man of the faith." She hadn't met Clifford before and she didn't appear to be put off that Clifford was (if he himself canonized Monica) "making up saints." She seemed to recognize Monica in any case and she came from the Abbey of the Road.

I don't think the Pope is still in Rome and the Catholic Church still the same as it was, but I think its clear that in the eastern U.S. at least, there is still some authority that is doing these canonizations. True in our world its only the Pope that can perform the act, but that may have changed post-war.

If it makes Fallout any closer to A Canticle for Leibowitz then I'm all for it.
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Sorry i am new to this forum and would like to know what you talking about here i know it's about religions but in which falout 1,2,3,New vagas or what.
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No not really. But Marcella visited Clifford at his church and was glad she met "another man of the faith." She hadn't met Clifford before and she didn't appear to be put off that Clifford was (if he himself canonized Monica) "making up saints." She seemed to recognize Monica in any case and she came from the Abbey of the Road.

I don't think the Pope is still in Rome and the Catholic Church still the same as it was, but I think its clear that in the eastern U.S. at least, there is still some authority that is doing these canonizations. True in our world its only the Pope that can perform the act, but that may have changed post-war.


It's interesting that Cachino seems to be aware of (if not a physical one) the idea of the Pope. Of course, that could just have been added to make him seem more Italian-American, but speculation is always fun
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 9:04 am

Sorry i am new to this forum and would like to know what you talking about here i know it's about religions but in which falout 1,2,3,New vagas or what.
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Sorry i am new to this forum and would like to know what you talking about here i know it's about religions but in which falout 1,2,3,New vagas or what.

All of them - this is the "fallout Universe" board. Welcome and please do not double-post :)
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Sorry just wanted to know wat origin your detail come from what you talking about now i know it all of them.
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It's interesting that Cachino seems to be aware of (if not a physical one) the idea of the Pope. Of course, that could just have been added to make him seem more Italian-American, but speculation is always fun

Its hard to say really. Whether or not there is a "Pope" somewhere or if Cachino was just aware of the general notion that the word pope means "some guy who is generally regarded as holy" is impossible to determine. I would think that It would be more likely that its the latter, but we never know.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:52 pm

All of my characters have been Christian, I even did a missionary play-through awhile back.

Which religions do your characters follow in the wasteland?

Joshua is trying to get me to believe his religion, but he ain't buying it.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 8:53 am

If it makes Fallout any closer to A Canticle for Leibowitz then I'm all for it.

Agreed. New Vegas should have had the Abbey.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:58 pm

For most religion has survived despite its apparent destruction in folk lore and plain memory. Much like we still remember things like Thor and Zeus even if they haven't been worshiped anywhere for hundreds of years. In Finland for example our ancient religion is constantly referenced in company names, proverbs and the like even as the religion died out eight hundred years ago. There is literature and tales that mention chief deities and legends, and so there most likely are thousands of bibles scattered around the Wasteland and Vaults. The few characters in Fallout that are openly religious are so because of family traditions which is the main life force of any religion in general.

Which religions do your characters follow in the wasteland?

Joshua is trying to get me to believe his religion, but he ain't buying it.
Like myself all my characters are die-hard Atheists. Even the Enclave characters. I just can't pretend that I would believe in something like "God" or "Santa Claus".
In fact, if I were to find one good thing about the apocalypse it's the near elimination of organized religion.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:03 am

Agreed. New Vegas should have had the Abbey.
I know. We even go into Utah, no excuse.
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