Oblivions by far. I hated not hitting things when I was right in front of them. Damn near made Morrowind unplayable.

Oblivion all the way. Morrowind's combat system was horrid, like I seriously rolled a mage just cause I couldn't take not hitting anything. Now I see where some of you guys are coming from with the whole, more RPGish and skill based. But seriously, I guess the people of Morrowind had the Intelligence level of 0 cause seriously, who can't hit someone with a sword? I guess all the Blade training people received were from that one Argonian in OB, "The pointy side is pointed towards the bad guy." or something along those lines. If they woulda added like a dodge effect or something I might of like it more. But randomly missing was annoying.

Which simply means that you are another person who didn't like the system because of poor animations. It's unrelated to game mechanics!

Glad to see some people feel the same way as I do about never hitting anything in Morrowind, I thought I was just doing it wrong

I've never weilded an axe before, I mean why the hell would I. Still, if you gave me an axe and told me to hit something with it, I'd most probably succeed. I might not do much damage, it might not look stylish, I might fall over but by god I'd hit the thing

It's a stoneage tool, not a light machine gun, I don't need years of training to be able to weild the thing. Effectively weild, yes, but like somebody said previously, being killed by a mud crab because you didn't bring the right kind of weapon and you can't hit it is just ridiculous. I'd cleave that puny little mud crab in two thankyou very much, it's a friggin crab

So... is it not possible that your enemies have learned to use weapons over a period of time? The enemies train. Just like you. If I go into a bandit cave, every bandit there will know how to use thier sword. They'll also have learned how to dodge. The player is the exact same. If the bandit had no skill with his weapon (though, they never do, NPC's aren't complete idiots who use weapons they have no skill in), I would dodge pretty much every swing of his, assuming I have more than 20 agility.


Oooh.. I mean, one glitch in the system... I mean that must REALLY make the whole thing svck... I mean, it only counts for Morrowind, of course, since Oblivion's AI that occasionaly caused NPC's to kill eachother is abosolutly fine to stay! And Oblivion's ability to hit any being in the universe, that was completely ridiculous, if absolutley fine, again!

Seriously, it's ridiculous that you hate on Morrowind's system for this. I mean, if they where to let you hit ANY creature, like Oblivion, I'd be killing Golden Saints and Atronauts at level 1. And, this rule of ridiculously small problems should count for anything.

Well, one could try to hit someone with an axe and see how "little" damage it would cause. You would be surprised.

Mudcrab thing is a matter of proper balance and implementation of relativity to combat mechanics. Mudcrab should have sth like 5-10 agility, which should mean that hitting it would be easy even for someone with no experience with axes.

Besides, I don't think we need missed hits a la Morrowind in TESV. I wrote about it earlier.



I'm pretty sure that a commoner would have almost 0% chance of doing much harm to a skilled fencer in an even fight, excluding situations when it was a result of pure luck - and commoner's lack of skill wouldn't save the fencer in such case. If you get hit in the torso without a cuirass worn over it by the battleaxe, it will cause major damage no matter what. The point is NOT to get hit, either by evading opponent's strikes, blocking them or being aggressive yourself and being the first to attack. Even a heavily armoured knight would try first and foremost not to get hit - the armour is there in order to protect you against possible strikes that may reach you.

You can kill anything because it relies on player skill. I already mentioned that I prefer player skill over character skill when it comes to combat, because it lets me take on anything, rather than in Morrowind, where the game basically decides what I can kill for me. So why don't you try reading before trying to patronize me

And no, that one little 'glitch' didn't ruin Morrowind for me, I love Morrowind. I just hate the combat

I prefer Oblivion's more realistic and challenging style, but I really dislike the leveled world and Morrowind had a better magic system.

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You must be the first Oblivion fan who realises the game is player based. I'm usually trying to tell people the obvious facts. I think that's how this all started. I'm fine with you liking what you like, I'm just used to people defending what doesn't need defending.

No you blatantly tried to patronize me, and you're doing it again

I get that you like Morrowind but I don't see why you have to defend it to the grave. Every day there are hundreds of posts about why people don't like Oblivion and rarely will you see a retort, but as soon as somebody says they don't like something about Morrowind somebody has to jump in and defend the sacred honour of this... game

Many people feel "bonded" with Morrowind because while Oblivion improved most technical aspects of the game, it failed miserably in most of other aspects. Morrowind had many failures, too, but the vital parts of TES games - story, lore, atmosphere - were much better in MW than in OB IMO.

I did? I am? :huh:


Umm... That works both ways, you know. Just look at this thread, people refusing to believe Oblivion is player based, because someone prefers Morrowind's character based combat. Comments like THAT, in fact, that you've posted, are everywhere. In every Morrowind vs Oblivion thread. Even ones full of Morrowind bashing, stating that we're not allowed to say anything bad about Oblivion, but it's ok to do it the other way around. Most of us will accept Morrowind's faults (animations, static NPC's, etc.), but arguments like that never come up. It's always "Morrowind has bad graphics", or "I should be able to do anything with no skill", or "I should be able to join every guild". You're free to have your own opinion, but when it gets to calling Morrowind a bad game, due to these "problems", I will step in.

Oblivion fans defend the game to the death, too. If I say that I don't like fast travel (I one started a thread trying to comprimise), all hell breaks loose. If I try to suggest a method that involves failure, even if I try to cater to Oblivion fans, I get flamed. If I point out Oblivion's bland scenery, people try to tell me it's not bland, and that it's entirely unique.

Don't try to tell me that there's never any Morrowind bashing, or that Oblivion fans do nothing, beause there is, and they do.

Oh, and I guess this is patronizing, too?

When have I ever called Morrowind a bad game? I've called certain aspects of Morrowind 'bad', just as much as I have done about Oblivion. If you find comments such as 'Morrowind has bad graphics' ignorant, as I do, why not simply ignore them?

It's an opinion, not fact. And comments such as 'Oblivion has bland scenerey' can be just as ignorant as Morrowind has bad graphics. You say you step in when somebody says such a thing about Morrowind, but sound surprised when the same happens after you post it about Oblivion

The poster above you stated that Morrowind probably has a place in some peoples hearts, and I understand that and love it myself. I'm just sick of nobody being able to criticize it without some die hard fans raining down on them, seemingly in an attempt to make them look stupid and like they're not 'true RPG gamers', whatever the hell that is

I liked Oblivion's more though I would like to do away with the official level requirements. Not that you should have better than a snowball's chance in hell of successfully completing a high level spell at a low level, but still I didn't like the feel of an arbitrary barrier.

Oblivion's. I like being able to decide when to block, and use my own aim to decide whether my attack hits an enemy. Morrowinds combat was boring, besides going in/out of weapon range all you did was spam click to attack because the enemy didn't have any interesting dodging tactics, they'd just run straight at you.

Still room for improvement though, one thing is NPCs/Ceatures need to be able to navigate vertical distance better so they don't get confused when your at a different height/level to them and try run into an object you're on top of continouusly.

No. I sound surprised when people like you post comments complaining about people bashing Oblivion, and how all Oblivion fans are saints that never do the same. If Oblivion fans never bashed Morrowind, there wouldn't be all the debating you see on these forums.


As I said, it works both ways.

I'd say Oblivion's overall, but I do think that Morrowind's missing system could have worked with decent animations. The one big improvement that I'd make is this though:

In ALL (or at least most) formulae used to determine chance to hit, damage, blocking etc, it should be both the attacker and defender's skills and abilities that affect the outcome. With armour and armour skills, this is essentially done for damage, but the chance of missing/dodging should be determined by the difference in skills between the two antagonists. In the mudcrab example, you'd hardly ever miss, as even if your skill is awful, so is it's, but fighting a skilled swordsman, you'd often miss, even if your skill was alright, because his skill is much higher.

Exactly. Relativism.

Person X suxx at fighting with swords, but person Y can't really defend properly, either. Both of them suxx, but because of that they are more or less even.

So what you're saying is when Morrowind fans bash Oblivion, those of us who thought it was a great RPG should just be silent and go twiddle our thumbs? The amount of Oblivion bashing on the forums FAR outweighs Morrowind bashing. Also, it seems to me that most of the Morrowind "bashing" consists of "I like the game but the graphics/combat svck" (though there are obviously exceptions), while the Oblivion bashing tends to consist more of "It's not a real RPG, it's an action game" "If you like player-driven gameplay, you should go back to Halo" "It's all green fields and wolves" and so on (though there are obviously exceptions). There is a bias on these forums, but I can assure you it isn't against Morrowind.

No, I'm saying that when Oblivion gets bashed, don't go around saying Morrowind bashing doesn't go on, because it obviously does. It's an equal thing. There's roughly the same Oblivion bashing, as there is Morrowind bashing.

Anyway, just wait until TESV comes out. You'll be in my situation then.

I am a centrist on this issue, although I slightly prefer Morrowind's.

Well obviously the superior game is gonna have a bigger fanbase :wink_smile: . And if I had a dollar for everytime I read "Morrowind suxs cuz its grafics are bad!" I would be a pretty rich man. Those people give you Oblivion devoted fans such a bad name, but I digress. So many people bash Morrowind it's not even funny. Oblivion fans may say that it is not equal, but that is the stupidest thing ever. It just so happens that when somebody points out a flaw in Oblivion, you and others blow it way out of proportion. So in your twisted view, Oblivion is getting bashed since you spend so much time overreacting.

Get this, Morrowind has flaws.

Look at that, I said that and had no problem doing it. Maybe if you could accept Oblivion has flaws, you would be a much happier person.

Anywho, I prefer either style actually, since in Oblivion I can tell I'm playing an action-RPG so I'm okay with action elements. But since Morrowind is more of a standard numerical based RPG, I am okay with a dice roll system. My problem is when games advertise themselves as "true RPGs" and they do not use dice rolls.

First RPG stand for Role-Playing Game not Dice-Rolling Game. To Role-Play is to put yourself in the role of a character. So both games are "true RPGS". Secondly, this isn't bash the other game thread, its which combat style you prefer.
The feedback was good for the first few pages. Both games are different, both are awsome and let's just leave it at that.

No. That's all I'm gonna say. If roleplaying is putting yourself into the role of a character, then Halo must be an RPG since I'm putting myself in the role of Master Chief. :rofl:

You are not funny and you know what I meant.

And YES you are putting yourself into the role of Master Cheif.

However if you would like a more modern day definition of RPG. You get experience, you level up, your skills and Attributes increase, you are more effective.