Of Princes and Power - OOC Thread #10

Post » Sun May 05, 2013 8:14 am

Well, um, about that. Since I moved rings around on the map, what once was Auvernge no longer exists (because boo real life French names), and is now Whitehaven. Confusing, what WAS Whitehaven is still there, but under the name of...Darrington, apparently. One of Asap's names that one. So, does that answer your questions? Once I get the final version of Asap's map I'll add political boundaries to it and we will go official.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 8:36 pm

What happened to the nicely numbered and labeled political map? The current one is kind of... messy I guess is the word. No offense meant by it, I just found the one with corresponding numbers to be neater and better outline the political boundaries. Or is that one out of date now?

EDIT: Not to mention the cities on the current political map don't match up with the ones of the current geographical map.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 9:50 am

Cast your eyes to the post directly above yours for the answer to all of these questions, and more.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 5:44 pm

Whoops, missed that. Cheers :happy:

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 8:20 pm

Ahh, seems as though I got the two unnamed dots on the projection map backwards. :tongue:

I'm going to do some touch ups and then I'll post the final version of the map.

Anyone know anywhere that will let me upload a 22mb image?

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 6:34 pm

I always use dropbox for that sort of thing. There seems to be a few out there that don't require registration or anything (like http://www.filehosting.org/) but I have no personal experience with them.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 5:52 pm

Well, back from seeing Iron Man 3, 'twas awesome and then proceeding to sit down and have a read of Treasure Island, I'll now answer Thy Questions Mr. McCool:

I agree to the county re-name, better name, I mean the last one was just borrowed from the name of a province of france which two wars were fought over.

Allow me to speak on this matter, the Steel Wolves are focused on three tactics, Discipline, Discipline and Discipline, as such they are incredibly efficient, they realise that to carry out their maneuvers, they require fast steeds weighed down by as little as possible, with weapons and armour suitable for the job, thus do the Steel Wolves look like so, the less stuff they have blocking sound to their ears, the faster they can react to their leaders orders, plus it's generally a look I think is the epitome of Professional Soldiering, a simple statement rather than some flashy knight with a thousand banners flying behind him.

I don't mind cutting it down to One Galleon and two Carracks. but can I just say about the money part that using criminals as free labour tends to go a long way in cutting costs and crime, as for the lack of gunpowder, why use gunpowder when one can use all the deck space as a floating castle from which to draw alongside the enemy and proceed to overwhelm them with numbers?

Sorry Mr. McCool :unsure: perhaps some appeasemant in the form of the rivers being re-named The Tears of Cuhelcain instead of the Rhine and instead of the Blue Danube, perhaps the torrents of Baan Dar?

I have an explanation for this, Julius is reclusive, so he wouldn't be well known outside of High Rock and in high rock, one who hears his name would assume him to be an imperial and thus they'd dismiss him as some "Jumped-up count from the bloody empire". And to take it literally, you said "Family", there is no family with Count Scipion, just the count.

http://www.fukyeah.com/upload/images/Are_you_sure_Kermit.jpg

Why thank you, 'tis a pleasure to be back, I'll ensure my first post does not fail, I've had quite a bit of time to improve, a lot if I do say so myself.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 8:22 am

Didn't you name regions Auvergne and Alsace? :unsure:

What is the basic naval setup we're going with by the way? It important because the county of Kambria has recently gained some money by imposing tax on trade moving between the islands and the mainland. Shippers either risk navigating through the islands (both natural-occurring risk of navigating rocky areas and upsetting the Direnni who I imagine don't look too kindly on people passing through the islands), so a toll is placed on ships passing along the safer coastal route.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 1:52 pm

Those ass-pulls are good enough for me :P. I'm convinced. Hope you enjoy your book, the piratey themes all make sense now.

Err, no actually, Asap named them. Then I came in as Co-GM and started bossing him/everyone about, and have since renamed both :P. Alsace is Felway now and instead of Auvergne we have Whitehaven, with what USED to be Whitehaven now called Wrothmark. All in a days work. Asap is the nice GM who will be okay with everything, I'm the one who shouts at people into things make sense. I enjoy this power to misuse.

As for the navel set-up, it depends. I can't say anything about Northpoint's navy, only to comment on what I vaguely think is likely. Kambria-Bhoraine is within Camlorn, so ask Asap I suppose. I know for Wayrest, the navy is mostly provided by the great merchant trading familes, chief of which are the Roycrofts. Lots of free companies working within the Wayrestan Trade League, which runs throughout Wayrest's holdings, right up the Bjoulsae and across the Hammerfell shore - Wayrest's power is all in its navy, its army is not up to scratch with Daggerfall's, but [censored] do they make a lot of money off their trade. Kambria would likely have to compete with Wayrest's trade league. I don't know if Daggerfall have one of their own it might be a part of, PFA is your man for that.

Also, there is some lorefluff that appeared in your absence about Kambria. It was sort of the central point in a big war that happened 10 years ago, the war that ended up with it being vassalised by Camlorn. I'll have the damn thing written up tomorrow I promise, and you can read through it and say what I got wrong about your county :P

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 2:01 pm

Well I have no lore at all about Kambria. As long as it doesn't mean I have to muck around with my character sheets (which I have to dig out from the OOC threads apparently :sadvaultboy: ).

It's basically not competeing as far as importing/exporting goods, but msotly exploiting the fact that Bhoriane sits directly across from a Direnni island, so they started putting a toll on passing merchants, taking advantage of the situation. Since naval technology seems to be mostly galley-type ships, I'm pretty much equating the Iliac with ancient Mediterranean shipping with ships preferring to skirt the coast rather than risk open waters. Initial investment in even 2 or 3 ships to make sure merchants don't try and skip past the payment would pay big dividends eventually. However, it doesn't directly conflict with Wayrest or Daggerfalls interests, as I'd imagine with the ever present conflict between the two, Wayrest would (in very general terms) stay east of Koegria and Alclaire, moving barges up and down the Bjoulsae and the eastern part of northern Hammerfell, while Daggerfall stays west of Bhoriane, on the north and south coasts of that area of Daggerfall as well as the area around Sentinel.

So yeah, basically what you said concerning Wayrest. But like I said, Kambria doesn't so much have state-run trade interests, but there are some private merchants have obviously been attracted recently, as the merchants passing through have to dock at bhoriane for their cargo to be inspected and taxed, meaning that Bhoriane always has new merchants in port for locals merchants to conduct some trade with (with certain opporunistic individuals using their role as dockyard officials to offer quicker inspection times in exchange for some good trade deals), which is then sent by road up to the county capital (Kambria) which is inland and relies on the increasingly important port of Bhoriane for food and luxury goods. But those inividuals know that if they try and branch out to more international trade, they couldn't begin to compete with Wayrest or Daggerfall, or even Anticlere (if it's a trade machine like it is in the Timeline), mostly because the ruling class still avoids trade like the plague so there is little support in money or influence from the Moorcrofts or any minor upper class families. /rambling

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 12:33 pm

*Cough* http://theshatteredempireseries.wikia.com/wiki/Edwore_Moorcroft *cough*

I made sure to add them to the Wiki a while back. :D

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 11:21 am

I could've sworn I checked the Wiki and couldn't find it. :thanks:

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 9:58 pm

I can't say about Anticlere, but that sounds pretty solid. One or two things: with the current bit we are working on, Bhoraine probably was the bigger of the two cities (even though not the County Seat), but was actually sacked by Orcs ten years ago, after Kambria, Koegria rebelled against their liege ever since the warp in the west, Wayrest. The orcs were acting on Elysana's behalf. This led to a huge international crisis, the result of which being Camlorn "protecting" the three and ending up vassaling all the lands except Koegria, which Wayrest fought hard for. SO whoever ruled Kambria 10 years ago...tried to be independant from Elysana, and in the result ended up either being conquered by, or agreeing to be a vassal of Senhyn of Camlorn, just to stop Elysana sending more Orcs round to level everything again. If that [censored]s up what you have already, it can be rewritten to be a popular revolt and not a move instigated by the Counts, but I think it works better as a big action to fight for independance.

The other thing, a little known fact but Bhoraine actually owns the first two islands in the Isles of Balfiera. I don't know why, but it does, its in the uesp. RE: trade tariffs, Balfiera is normally completely fine with traders going through it, and likely has a similar deal going on as Kambria, providing one of the Isles few sources of revenue; It's not like they make anything on that [censored] island.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 3:45 pm

I can't say about Anticlere, but that sounds pretty solid. One or two things: with the current bit we are working on, Bhoraine probably was the bigger of the two cities (even though not the County Seat), but was actually sacked by Orcs ten years ago, after Kambria, Koegria rebelled against their liege ever since the warp in the west, Wayrest. The orcs were acting on Elysana's behalf. This led to a huge international crisis, the result of which being Camlorn "protecting" the three and ending up vassaling all the lands except Koegria, which Wayrest fought hard for. SO whoever ruled Kambria 10 years ago...tried to be independant from Elysana, and in the result ended up either being conquered by, or agreeing to be a vassal of Senhyn of Camlorn, just to stop Elysana sending more Orcs round to level everything again. If that [censored]s up what you have already, it can be rewritten to be a popular revolt and not a move instigated by the Counts, but I think it works better as a big action to fight for independance.[/quote]

That's how I saw Bhoriane. A more city-like, urbanised, cosmopolitan area compared to the more castle-town that is Kambria. That could work well with Edwore actually. Women aren't for ruling, they're for [censored]! In a nutshell, a reason he would've done such a thing :D I can easily edit things around in the history on my CS.

Well that works even better. Kambria can legitmately (perhaps not morally :tongue: ) tax anyone trying to go along the coast without pissing off Balfiera.

EDIT: I apologize for those quote boxes. The mobile update doesn't show boxes now so I have no idea what I've quoted.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 8:26 pm

Awesome, glad the lore works for you, Sorry about writing stuff for Kambria while you were gone, I, uh, thought you weren't coming back. Just to reiterate the way we have it now, Bhoriane was completely sacked and pillaged ten years ago by works, the rest of the local area suffering the same fate. We are talking Kvatch levels of destruction here, it is what started a crisis that almost brought the whole of High Rock to war. Is that okay? 10 years later, the city would've been rebuilt and might actually be prospering due to all of the new interest in it, old order swept away and lots of new money to be made, who knows. If this hurts your vision of Bhoriane I guess we could move it somewhere else, it has to be a biiiiig slaughter though :D. Needless to say Kambrians aren't a big fan of orcs ever since.

Oh, and one last funny note I discovered while researching the area, in Arena a town exactly where Kambria is, is called Moonguard. I'm taking that to be some sort of romantic name either for the town, the castle, or the area, that is no longer official Whatever, it ends up used as the name for the revolve/crisis that starts there and involves later wayrest/the orcs/senhyn and now the current status quo, with the orcs having no empire and no allies either. just a fun fact about how important kambria has become while you wer away :P.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 4:04 pm

No that's ok, I was gone for a while and I should've told you guys I'd be back when uni was done. I'm good with that, as it actually makes the internal situation more interesting. Marcel could see his father as the cause of his barony getting destroyed, and while Marcel doesn't have any direct role in the increased trade in Bhoriane, it is still his barony and he has overseen the rebuild and improvement of the docks, the creation of port officials, using some of his own money to fund the few ships needed to police the tolls (which would have been his idea, prompted by the urging of members of his own court who knew the trade game), as well as using such devestation as a tool to increasing his own popularity among the people of the southern part of the County who especially felt the Orc invasion, by blaming his father and making himself as sort of a Rebuilder.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 2:38 pm

So, Darrington was it?

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 10:51 am

Wrothmark actually. We finally settled on a nice name for it. :P

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 7:25 am

Well, I've fancified and updated the pages for both http://theshatteredempireseries.wikia.com/wiki/County_Felway and http://theshatteredempireseries.wikia.com/wiki/Julius_Scipion.

And generally that's it, I'll probably have a picture of Julius some time, but in the meantime enjoy the http://theshatteredempireseries.wikia.com/wiki/File:Alsace_Crest.jpg.

EDIT: Added a picture of J. Scipion, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4sT0NFcEus

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 10:40 am

Hey, while we're on this subject, how much lore is their existing on Markwasten? Vince, I think a while back you told me an outline of the situation in that area but I can't find/remember it...

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 6:39 am

Well, we've left it blank for you. Looking at the map, Wayrest only gained any of the Wrothgarian mountains that separate their more traditional holdings from Markwasten ten years ago, so they probably gained Markwasten during the Orisinium Wars, or since. Whether Markwasten was independent then or part of Shornhelm is up to you. At some point in their history Markwasten was probably a part of Shornhelm. I had a bit of tenuous lore I made up for Shornhelm that the Dukes of Markwasten once ruled Portdun and Gwened under the King of Shornhelm, but this was centuries ago and has little bearing on the current political make-up.

I think we agreed they are a new acquisition though, last ten years. Other than that it is up to you, unless you'd like me to fill it in for you.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 2:47 pm

Hay guise, I made this here sheet for another useless but fun character. Let me know if I have stepped on anyone's toes (which i'm quite confident I havent, but with me, you never know), and let me know what ye think.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 10:08 pm

I spent five hours writing an intro post to this RP in word. Only for it to become erased when my computer wiped all word documents.

So I'll try and write another up later.

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 4:55 pm

Ouch, that's awful, dude. I'd tell you to not let it crush your spirit, but I know i'd never want to RP again if that happened xD

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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 8:17 pm

The Character is very nice, one thing, I`m writing some lore on Eagle Brook right now (Which I claimed) and I think my Character wouldn`t mind having a crazy Breton living on a tower as long as he does not blows anything up.

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