Problem after updating BOSS master list with BOSS manager : IV

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:38 am

As I've been kindly suggested in another thread, I'll start a new one to try and solve my problems

So, first of all, my problem started after using the BOSS master List manager to update my master list, I suppose it also added some bash tags tp my mods, because when I went back and rebuilt my bashed patch I noticed a lot of new mods had import options, I happily clicked them all (Bad move...)
Now my games loads normally to main menu, but if I try to load my savedgames it hangs near the end and I must restart my pc, I also tried a new game, I use Alternative Start, I was able to appear in the boat for the character creation, but as soon as I tried entering the worldspace, It hanged forever on loading.

Now, After many (many) hours of testing I bellieve that it has been caused by some tags added to my BP... I'm currently trying disabling them one by one to see if something changes, but in the meantime here's my L\O

Spoiler

Masters for: Bashed Patch, 0.esp
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Jog_X_Mod.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.7]
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
08 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
09 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0A FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0B Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.3]
0C Artifacts.esm
0D Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0E AFC v2 Core.esm
0F Progress.esm [Version 2.0]
10 CustomSpellIcons.esm
11 HorseCombatMaster.esm
** Oblivion_SI Vwalk Full.esp
12 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.3a]
13 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
14 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
15 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
16 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
19 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
++ FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1A FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.7]
++ All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp [Version 0.9.6]
++ Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
1C phinix-waterfix.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
1D 300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp
1E AliveWaters.esp
1F AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
20 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
21 Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
22 AFC v2 Combat Moves.esp
23 AFC v2 Damage Text.esp
24 AFC v2 Gauntlet Weaponry.esp
25 AFC v2 Locational Damage.esp
++ AFC v2 Tempfix.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
26 Mage_Guild_Teleport.esp
27 BetterMusicSystem.esp
28 Oblivion Cats v0.2b.esp
29 Redecoration.esp
2A Living Economy - Items.esp
2B Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.3]
2C moDem's City Life.esp
2D Choices and Consequences.esp
2E Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.0.2]
2F Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
30 Guild Map Markers.esp
31 HotkeyCasting.esp
32 Lem - Hotkey Cyclers.esp
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
33 DMGloves.esp
34 XSPipeMod.esp [Version 1.2]
35 HorseCommandsSI.esp
36 Thieves Arsenal.esp
37 MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp
38 MELF_HorseSanity.esp
++ MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp [Version Beta]
39 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
3A Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
3B Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
3C OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3D Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3E FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3F Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
40 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
41 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
42 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
43 Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp [Version 0.2]
++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
44 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.3]
45 OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp
46 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
47 Choices and Consequences - MMM.esp [Version 0.2]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
48 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
49 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
4A Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessRats.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3]
4B Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b1]
4C Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3]
4D Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3]
4E Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3]
4F Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
50 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
51 FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp [Version 1.31]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c]
52 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
** TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp
53 TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]
54 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
55 TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp [Version 1.39c]
56 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
** ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
57 FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
58 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.0]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp [Version 1.2]
++ Fransfemale.esp
59 SSEE-OOO.esp
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]
5A Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
++ Enhanced Quest Roleplaying - OOO.esp
++ Enhanced Quest Roleplaying - FCOM.esp
5B Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
5C Artifacts.esp
5D GB_Oblivion Tournament.esp
5E Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
5F Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
** Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp
60 Mimics!.esp
61 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 2.6.1]
62 TheElderCouncil.esp
63 TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp
64 thievery.esp
65 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
66 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
67 24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp
68 24HrArenaAliveLow.esp
69 The Lost Spires.esp
6A Mighty Umbra.esp
6B Blood&Mud.esp
6C Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
** Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp
6D Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
6E Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 5.1]
6F TheNecromancer.esp
70 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
71 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
72 FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9]
73 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5]
74 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
** xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp
75 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
76 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
77 Automatic Difficulty Increaser.esp
++ FewerOBGates.esp
78 PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.4]
79 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
7A Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp
7B stickierenemytargeting.esp
7C Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]
7D VisiblyUnlimited.esp
7E Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
7F RealisticForceMedium.esp
80 RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp
81 Power Exhaustion.esp [Version -01]
82 GalerionUnarmoredAcrobatics.esp
83 EnchantmentMastery.esp
84 MidasSpells.esp
85 Midas OscuroGems.esp
++ Midas Betterholy.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp
86 CustomSpellIcons.esp
87 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
88 RshAlchemy.esp
89 Enchantment Enhanced.esp
8A attack and hide harder v2.1.esp
8B DD_ProximitySneakPenalty.esp
8C ProgressGSD.esp [Version 1.1]
8D ProgressMBSP.esp [Version 1.0]
8E ProgressSBSP.esp [Version 1.0]
8F Legendary Abilities-Fortify Health MOJ.esp
90 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
91 S.P.A.M. 100+.esp
92 S.P.A.M. option - Restore Spec.esp
93 S.P.A.M. option - Restore Fav.esp
94 immersive_caves_manual.esp
95 Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b1]
** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]
** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]
96 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
97 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
98 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
99 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]
9A SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp
9B SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
++ bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
** bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
9C bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
9D bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.962]
++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
9E NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
9F Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp
A0 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
A1 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot beta Place After Bashed Patch.esp
A2 FormID Finder4.esp
A3 Duke Patricks - Momentum Damage Bonus Custom.esp
A4 Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp
A5 Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
A6 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
A7 SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]
A8 Streamline 3.1.esp
A9 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.2]

Any suggestion?

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:43 pm

Oh wow. What did you use BOMM to do? Your load order goes screwy starting at MMM - Resized Races. It looks like you failed to read a few ReadMes and Mod FAQs, major compatibility problems. I will explain in a bit, but I want you to hear this now. Get rid of all of your cosmetic mods except for RBP. That means, uninstall COBL Races anything and the MMM Resized Races plugin. Did you use BOMM to switch around SM, LAME and RBP? Were you trying to do this:

\BeginGroup\: Supreme Magicka \BeginGroup\: L.A.M.E.
--moves the SM group after LAME

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:42 am

Thx, I'll start doing as you suggest...
Actually my system was quite stable before... Amd I had no issue with cosmetic mods, anyway I'll start removing them.

As for magic, I want Supreme magicka over LAME, so my guess is LAME/ Supreme Magicka/ Bg race rebalance should be the general order, no?

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:30 am

Have you updated BOSS and Wrye Bash recently? BOSS got a recent update to allow for OOO specific options, and Wrye Bash got a bunch of new tags in recent updates.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:38 am

Have you updated BOSS recently?

This! I totally missed the update

thx Showler... I'll update BOSS, remove the cosmetics mods and post my results.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:52 pm

The point is that BOSS' ordering for your load order is fine in terms of the SM, RBP, LAME dynamic. All you have to do to have SM load after LAME is use the override that I posted above. No other changes are necessary for concerning the ordering of those three.

In the define overrides section, the first section
1st col. 2nd col.
\BeginGroup\: Supreme Magicka \BeginGroup\: L.A.M.E.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:17 pm

Looks like Tomlong has answered your questions.

If his BOMM suggestions do not resolve the problem, it might be worth posting your BOMM Overrides and Load Order Definitions so that we can see what you are changing. Worth noting that BOMM only adds or changes anything in the BOSS master list based on what you specify - it does not add or change any bash tags without you telling it do so.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:35 am

Ok, I added your instruction to the manager and it worked as you said! Thanks for that too! So, this is my new load order.
Are body mods "cosmetic mods?" should I remove them too?

Spoiler

Masters for: Streamsave_15.ess
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Jog_X_Mod.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.7]
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
08 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
09 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0A FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0B Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.3]
0C Artifacts.esm
0D Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0E AFC v2 Core.esm
0F Progress.esm [Version 2.0]
10 CustomSpellIcons.esm
11 HorseCombatMaster.esm
** Oblivion_SI Vwalk Full.esp
12 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.3a]
13 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
14 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
15 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
16 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
19 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
++ FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1A FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.7]
++ All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp [Version 0.9.6]
++ Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
1C phinix-waterfix.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
1D 300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp
1E AliveWaters.esp
1F AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
20 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
21 Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
22 AFC v2 Combat Moves.esp
23 AFC v2 Damage Text.esp
24 AFC v2 Gauntlet Weaponry.esp
25 AFC v2 Locational Damage.esp
++ AFC v2 Tempfix.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
26 Mage_Guild_Teleport.esp
27 BetterMusicSystem.esp
28 Oblivion Cats v0.2b.esp
29 Redecoration.esp
2A Living Economy - Items.esp
2B Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.3]
2C moDem's City Life.esp
2D Choices and Consequences.esp
2E Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.0.2]
2F Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
30 Guild Map Markers.esp
31 HotkeyCasting.esp
32 Lem - Hotkey Cyclers.esp
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
33 DMGloves.esp
34 XSPipeMod.esp [Version 1.2]
35 HorseCommandsSI.esp
36 Thieves Arsenal.esp
37 MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp
38 MELF_HorseSanity.esp
++ MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp [Version Beta]
39 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
3A Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
3B Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
3C OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3D Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3E FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3F Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
40 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
41 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
42 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
43 Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp [Version 0.2]
++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
44 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.3]
45 OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp
46 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
47 Choices and Consequences - MMM.esp [Version 0.2]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
48 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
49 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
4A Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessRats.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3]
4B Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b1]
4C Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3]
4D Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3]
4E Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3]
4F Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
50 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
51 FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp [Version 1.31]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c]
52 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
** TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp
53 TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]
54 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
55 TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp [Version 1.39c]
56 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
** ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
57 FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
58 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.0]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp [Version 1.2]
++ Fransfemale.esp
59 SSEE-OOO.esp
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]
5A Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
++ Enhanced Quest Roleplaying - OOO.esp
++ Enhanced Quest Roleplaying - FCOM.esp
5B Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
5C Artifacts.esp
5D GB_Oblivion Tournament.esp
5E Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
5F Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
** Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp
60 Mimics!.esp
61 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 2.6.1]
62 TheElderCouncil.esp
63 TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp
64 thievery.esp
65 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
66 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
67 24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp
68 24HrArenaAliveLow.esp
69 The Lost Spires.esp
6A Mighty Umbra.esp
6B Blood&Mud.esp
6C Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
** Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp
6D Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
6E Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 5.1]
6F TheNecromancer.esp
70 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
71 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
72 FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9]
73 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5]
74 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
** xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp
75 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
76 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
77 Automatic Difficulty Increaser.esp
++ FewerOBGates.esp
78 PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.4]
79 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
7A Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp
7B stickierenemytargeting.esp
7C Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]
7D VisiblyUnlimited.esp
7E Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
7F RealisticForceMedium.esp
80 RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp
81 Power Exhaustion.esp [Version -01]
82 GalerionUnarmoredAcrobatics.esp
83 EnchantmentMastery.esp
84 MidasSpells.esp
85 Midas OscuroGems.esp
++ Midas Betterholy.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp
86 CustomSpellIcons.esp
87 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
88 RshAlchemy.esp
89 Enchantment Enhanced.esp
8A attack and hide harder v2.1.esp
8B DD_ProximitySneakPenalty.esp
8C ProgressGSD.esp [Version 1.1]
8D ProgressMBSP.esp [Version 1.0]
8E ProgressSBSP.esp [Version 1.0]
8F Legendary Abilities-Fortify Health MOJ.esp
90 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
91 S.P.A.M. 100+.esp
92 S.P.A.M. option - Restore Spec.esp
93 S.P.A.M. option - Restore Fav.esp
94 immersive_caves_manual.esp
95 Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]
96 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
97 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
98 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
99 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]
9A SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp
9B SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
++ bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
** bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
9C bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
9D bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.962]
++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
9E NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
9F Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp
A0 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
A1 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot beta Place After Bashed Patch.esp
A2 FormID Finder4.esp
A3 Duke Patricks - Momentum Damage Bonus Custom.esp
A4 Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp
A5 Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
A6 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
A7 SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]
A8 Streamline 3.1.esp
A9 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.2]

and here's my override as suggested:
(don't know how to properly post it, I hope this suffices, 2nd column is the "Load after ESP/ESM" as in the manager)

Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp /// FormID Finder4.esp

Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp /// Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp /// Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp

SM_DeadlyReflex.esp /// DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

Streamline 3.1.esp /// SM_DeadlyReflex.esp

\BeginGroup\: Supreme Magicka \BeginGroup\: L.A.M.E.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:23 pm

Why did you override SL's definition. Do not move DR plugins yourself either unless they are undefined? Might I as why you chose to make those changes. They make no sense to me, aside from the last one.

Body mods are not cosmetic mods. Also, you can run multiple cosmetic mods together, but if they overlap you have to know what your are doing. RBP and COBL races are absolutely NOT compatible. If you look at COBL Races' description, it says that is based on RBP, a stripped down version. In other words, you were running two copies of practically the same mods, which is a "no-no." Also, RBP and COBL races resize the races, or at least RBP does, I do not use, have not used, and will not use COBL Races. Therefore, using the MMM Resized Races mod was just all kinds of unnecessary cause for conflict. If you prefer the MMM size changes for some reason, you need to edit RBP with TES4Edit, to use those sizes or something.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:07 pm

Worth noting that BOMM only adds or changes anything in the BOSS master list based on what you specify - it does not add or change any bash tags without you telling it do so.

Just wanted to add that I know it's my fault, really!!! I came back to Oblivion after a couple of months, found all this new toys and forgot how painful is to remedy to your own errors while modding oblivion!
The manager does everything as advertised, and I again thank you for it!

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:56 pm

Remove all of the overrides excepting the SM-relative one. Rebuild your bashed patch after that. (You can use this bhttp://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/utilities/wrye-bash/bashedpatch as a guideline.) Your load order was probably part of this failure to load problem.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:21 am

Why did you override SL's definition. Do not move DR plugins yourself either unless they are undefined? Might I as why you chose to make those changes. They make no sense to me, aside from the last one.

Actually Deadly reflex used to give me a lot of troubles when loaded earlier... I could give it a shot again and try it with the suggested order.
Also SM_Deadly reflex is loaded before Supreme Magicka... I believed having yellow squares in Wrye BAsh was a big "no-no" so I always reordered them...

As for DP mods, the author always specifies to load them last, after the bashed patch, so I took that as the best way to load them.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:59 am

The BOSS team would not have moved them without reason. Someone else had load order issues, and had done something similar. Let's leave the messy stuff to the professional and the ones who better understand mod interactions. That is one of the aspects of modded Oblivion that takes the longest time to learn, so I cannot jump on you for trying to follow the author's instructions. However, respect "current" projects too. As the tools become more advanced, mods with instructions made in the past have to be reevaluated. Ask the BOSS thread why the change was made, before making those sorts of changes.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:53 pm

The BOSS team would not have moved them without reason. Someone else had load order issues, and had done something similar. Let's leave the messy stuff to the professional and the ones who better understand mod interactions. That is one of the aspects of modded Oblivion that takes the longest time to learn, so I cannot jump on you for trying to follow the author's instructions. However, respect "current" projects too. As the tools become more advanced, mods with instructions made in the past have to be reevaluated. Ask the BOSS thread why the change was made, before making those sorts of changes.

You are obviously right...
I usually read documents with attention... But sometimes language, time and other factors combine, and you lose some piece of vital info... That's why I stick to author's notes and readmes aven when they are outdated, again thanks for the advice!
Anyway, I'm rebuilding my B. patch, so, wish me luck!

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:10 am

Well, here is a new tip. Bow to BOSS, and look at the ReadMe when it does not recognize a plugin or you find out one of your Oblivion problems is related to a bad load order. Otherwise, BOSS is good more than 90% of the time these days. I am not expecting all users to have read through even three quarters of the ReadMes of their 200+ mod setups, not thoroughly...like some people with no life *cough, cough*...try 500? 700?...I once scripted all of my 500 or so OMODs, even if they only had one plugin. I would make scripts just to avoid adding an extra document, or rename the documents folders so that they all installed to the same place, total compulsive organizer.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:05 pm

Wow... You know.... I'm actually a psychologist in R/L

(no jokes, I am, really) I actually feel bad now... taking advantage of your "compulsion" (and Knowledge!)
I'm just writing this while I wait for my patch to build so forgive the slight off topic

Edit: sigh, not my lucky day... got an error after rebuilding my patch, never happened before

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "D:\Programmi\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Mopy\basher.py", line 4478, in Execute
patchFile.buildPatch(log,SubProgress(progress,0.8,0.9))
File "D:\Programmi\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Mopy\bosh.py", line 13872, in buildPatch
patcher.buildPatch(log,SubProgress(subProgress,index))
File "D:\Programmi\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Mopy\bosh.py", line 19178, in buildPatch
defaultEyes[race.fid] = [race.eyes[0]]
TypeError: 'set' object is unindexable

Do you think I shoul post this in Wrye Bash thread? I'm actually quite afraid of the fidgety monkey god...

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:09 am

No, thank you. I like being amused, haha. I am not kidding when I say I am a compulsive organizer and...troubleshooter? haha. It takes longer to rebuild my bashed patch than to install QTP3 with BAIN, or maybe the issue is that I have to rebuild my bashed patch so much more frequently. Not to mention, the evil little bar sits in the middle of your screen counting out each dreadful second until shortly after 7 minutes when it finishes. You can do so much in 7 minutes these days...geez.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:18 am

Hehe, no offense taken I hope! As a psychologist I could add something I'm usually fond to say, "Intelligence rapresent the greatest form of Environment adaptation on earth", meaning that each and every facet of human nature is, at heart, adaptive. Even when It can be described as anti-social, or un-adaptive, a deep anolysis of a person soul, usually reveals that trait as fundamental for survival, in his or her way of PERCIEVING the world (wich is actually, half of what we are made of, 50% perception, 50% cognition, or alter the percentages, if you like...)

Alas, the trimming and reordering, didn't work... It still hangs on loading, guess I'll have to find something new! Also I have this strange python error that I've never seen before...

Still I thank you for your time!

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:51 am

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368

Do you use a UI replacer, perhaps?

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:42 pm

Do you use a UI replacer, perhaps?

user Interface? Yes, a painstaikingly customized one, I might add... But since i can reach the first cell, where I create a new character with Alternative Start, and I see mi UI, i don't think that's the cause...

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:54 am

Oh, well that is one of the symptoms of not changing the fonts in the Oblivion.ini if you use DarN. I will have to think on it some more then, but do not forget...

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:27 pm

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368

:) Got it!

I should also add that if I disable My bashed patch (I know, it's stupid, just testing) I'm able to load my 200h savedgame, and even able to start a new one... So the problem must be one of the mods bashed in the patch... or maybe a faulty tag.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:10 pm

Yay! It is too bad you did not have the eye issue...kind of. I just do not want to see one more person post about that error....

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:30 am

Yay! It is too bad you did not have the eye issue...kind of.

???

What is the eye issue? Something that WB 281 solved??!? Well I guess being locked away form oblivion at least has the added bonus of not having to worry about new issues...

edit: also, updating to WB 281 solve the python error, so that's one less issue

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:14 pm

Not everyone suffered that issue. I sure did not. However, the people who had the issue wasted no time posting in the WB thread, over and over and over and...yeah... Do not worry about it, but v281 should have some nice new functionality for BAIN.