Hello.
Finally after a week of hard labor I've managed to install 200+ mods and got Morrowind working. Now I've started to play around with MGEgui and so far it's been frustrating. I'm having bunch of problems. It worked perfectly before tho.

Should distant land look like that? I remember it being different, better. I have everything to the fullest, I think I have set 20cells distance. I know (or at least I think) it's not supposed to be unlimited view, but I don't remember it being ugly white like that. Maybe a better "blurry foggy shade" or something. But not like that.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/y8xde.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/mkaXS.jpg[/img]

Then I'm getting this half blurry half sharp glitches. And some other crap.


[img]http://i.imgur.com/wRw7r.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/cfHXc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/tR66p.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/4nPKX.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/XQou9.jpg[/img]

Plates and metal stuff (but not armor) are shining so much my eyes really start to hurt.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Rn0xd.jpg[/img]

Plus I'm having double animation on all animated things, like pigs, chickens, etc. and everything animated.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/ryL0r.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/kwBJu.jpg[/img]


Not to mention most of the NPCs refer to me as their "savior" and something else, as if I had saved Morrowind already or something.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/eE9w9.jpg[/img]

I know this problems aren't all from MGEgui (probably), but I still need help with them.
Thank you very much!

P.S.
Mindblowing:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/zPbH3.jpg[/img]

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Now after some tweaking around I've got it to work. I still have double animations tho.
Plus, the water doesn't look like it did on those pictures, it's exactly like in Morrowind? Who's fault is that? MGEgui's or some other mod's?

Thx

Which part did you get to work? Since there are several problems described in the first post.

Can you post your mod list and the version of MGE you are using? It will help us figure out what the problems are.

Ok, I've got "distant land creation" working.

There are only two problems now.
Firstly, there are double animations of everything and I don't know why. I'm using the animation mod and I don't see a problem. Could MGEgui be interacting with it in some bad way?

Secondly the water is morrowind like (ugly). It looks exactly like Morrowind's water. Is MGEgui suppose to alter it or are there other mods for that? If you look at the screenshots I posted you can see how beautiful water is. But now that I redid statics it's the same as vanilla Morrowind's.

Thanks

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I think I read about effects bleeding on UI. A Morrowind code patch feature, something to do with "improving UI". I think it is noted that it would cause weirdness with MGE. (Only works with MGE XE)

The duplicated NPCs happened to me once. I can't remember exactly what triggers it. You can remove-load-save-reinstall that mod to work properly. I had all Tamriel Rebuilt duplicated several times once. After updating the mod without removing it first, I think.

For water not working, you must have seen an error at left-top corner when you load your save. That will tell us why. It must also disable distant land completely. Make sure your ingame.fx matches the MGE version. (that water requires phal's custom d3d8.dll and a custom ingame.fx probably.)

Fog is white because of bloom and Morrowind.ini fog values. Vurt has mods with recommended color tweaks. You can tweak them(day fog color). Or you can tweak bloom shaders for less bloom effects.

I don't know about the savior thing.

Metals shine, I see nothing wrong with it. It is probably the way it is via the mod that adds it.

I recommend Wrye Mash and MLOX. Mash can clean and fix your savefiles and MLOX can show you the incompatibilities and updates as well as fixing your load order.

If I turn off the Animated Morrowind mod the animations disappear. I don't have anything else that would animate Morrowind, at least not anything I know of.

I get no error when starting a game. I'm starting a New game btw. And could you pretty please explain me a bit more about what to do to fix it? As I'm really bad at this stuff.

What's the name of Vurt's mod? So I don't have to search ;P

I don't know how to use Wyre Mash expect for "fixing" saves which I don't even have. While Mlox does say I have certain troubles which I don't know how to fix, or if I do nothing changes (my English is crappy and I understand this stuff poorly).

Thank you very much.

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There's MGE thread for a reason, so you should post your MGE related problems in MGE thread.

You sure it's Morrowind's default water, water in your pics looks quite alright... or is it not like in the pics anymore?

Code Patch offers sharpening of the UI but says that MGE blurs and blooms override it and thus it doesn't work. Another thing is that you might be having transparency in Morrowind's normal options on, which migth cause transparent inventories and dialog boxes, but I don't think it should make the borders of those boxes transparent too. Try fiddling with that anyway.

Metal surfaces are shiny like that cause shiny stuff and everything that is light in colour is amplified in shiny-ness with most bloom shaders on, so either find a weaker bloom shader or reduce the values if you know how to or something. Tbh your pics of the silverware on the table look awesome to me

The savior thing is most probably related to a dialogue/quest related mod so check which ones you have on, maybe even post your mod list here, I'm sure people will find a whole bunch of stuff you could improve and/or fix.

The water on the screenshots is the water I want (its how it used to be). Now Its just plain old Morrowind water.
I fixed the UI problem, atm it's just animations and water.

Here's my mod list by order:

_001_ Morrowind.esm_002_ Tribunal.esm_003_ Bloodmoon.esm_004_ H.E.L.L.U.V.A._Merchant_Containers.esm_005_ Morrowind Patch 1.6.5 Beta (BTB Edit).esm_006_ Texture Fix - Bloodmoon 1.1.esm_007_ abotWaterLife.esm_008_ Poorly Placed Object Fix.esm_009_ Texture Fix 2.0.esm_010_ LCV Schedule Markers.esp_011_ NPC LCV Schedules 03.esp_012_ Galsiahs Character Development.esp_013_ GCD StartScript for Trib or Bloodmoon.esp_014_ GCD better balanced birthsigns.esp_015_ GCD Over 60 level speedup.esp_016_ GCD Restore Potions Fix.esp_017_ abotWhereAreAllBirdsGoing.esp_018_ Animated_Morrowind - Expanded.esp_019_ abotSiltStriders.esp_020_ abotGondoliers.esp_021_ abotGondoliersRV.esp_022_ H.E.L.L.U.V.A. Handy Holdables.esp_023_ Antares' Tribunal Main Quest 1.2.esp_024_ Antares' Creatures - Beholder.esp_025_ Nymeria's Faster Walk.esp_026_ Hold it - replacer.esp_027_ Scripted_Spells.esp_028_ Persuasion Response Expansion.esp_029_ Real_wildlife_2b Complete.esp_030_ NPC Functionality.esp_031_ Pursuit Enhanced.esp_032_ Starfires NPC Additions ver-1.11.esp_033_ SneakingRealism_En_v3.esp_034_ TLM - Ambient Light + Fog Update.esp_035_ PSsorticon.esp_036_ TLM - Light Sources (Clearer Lighting).esp_037_ Cait's Critters Unleashed 2.0.esp_038_ Dragonscale Armor v1.esp_039_ Service_Requirements_V1.4.3.esp_040_ Service_Requirements_V1.4.3&WGI.esp_041_ NPC LCV Locks.esp_042_ dh_furn.esp_043_ dh_furn_stores.esp_044_ Neo's Unique Creatures.esp_045_ Windows Glow.esp_046_ Westly's Master Headpack X.esp_047_ trollbone_armor_set.esp_048_ The Neverhalls.esp_049_ TC_PuzzleCanol.esp_050_ Barabus' fireplaces 2.esp_051_ wl_dockclutter.esp_052_ Clean To Serve Sithis_.esp_053_ correctUV Ore Replacer 1.0.esp_054_ Bloated Caves.esp_055_ Vality's Ascadian Isles Addon.esp_056_ New Veloth's Judgement 2.esp_057_ The Tribe Unmourned.esp_058_ The Tribe Unmourned (GHD).esp_059_ Better Skulls.ESP_060_ UAR_ChodalaBoots.esp_061_ dh_homes.esp_062_ abotWindowsGlow.esp_063_ dh_thriftshop.esp_064_ Nymeria's Monthly Respawn.esp_065_ Creatures.esp_066_ Elemental Magicka 1.0.esp_067_ Antares' Creatures - Trolls!.esp_068_ Antares' Creatures - Treant.esp_069_ Antares' Creatures - Frost Giant.esp_070_ Service Requirements (BTB Edit).esp_071_ Imperial Graveyards of MW.esp_072_ NoM_Creatures Loot PHW.esp_073_ NoM_Grass FotG+FF.esp_074_ Vivec's Fate.esp_075_ NoM_Creatures Loot Standard.esp_076_ Hold it - SF npc addon.esp_077_ Thief's Disguise Kit.esp_078_ SirLuthor-Tools.esp_079_ Unique Banners and Signs.esp_080_ The regulars - Sitting NPC's v2.02.esp_081_ BetterClothesForTB.esp_082_ Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp_083_ Taddeus'BalancedWeapons.esp_084_ Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp_085_ Statue Replacer - Normal.esp_086_ bones.esp_087_ Shieldfx.esp_088_ OR_Fang.esp_089_ Book Jackets - Morrowind.esp_090_ Book Jackets - Tribunal.esp_091_ Book Jackets - Bloodmoon.esp_092_ NewBlood_MwTbBm1.1.esp_093_ you are being robbed 3.esp_094_ Graphic Herbalism.esp_095_ Graphic Herbalism Extra.esp_096_ Xenn's Strict Factions.ESP_097_ almalexia armor.esp_098_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP_099_ NX9_Guards_Complete.ESP_100_ NX9_Guard_LGTrib_patch.ESP_101_ Vality's Bitter Coast Addon.esp_102_ Vality's Balmora Addon.esp_103_ NX9_Guard_LGRedoran_Patch.ESP_104_ Building Up Uvirith's Legacy1.1.ESP_105_ SNR_ThievesStep_Standart.esp_106_ MDP Compilation.ESP_107_ Frostmoth Docks.ESP_108_ Psy_IronMeshImprove_Uniques_BME.esp_109_ Unique Tombs.esp_110_ PickFreeSlavev1.1.ESP_111_ What Thieves Guild.ESP_112_ More Better Clothes.ESP_113_ ExcellentMagicSounds.esp_114_ New Argonian Bodies - Mature.esp_115_ New Khajiit Bodies - Mature.esp_116_ Golden Gold.esp_117_ sm_ForgottenHalls.esp_118_ Djangos Dialogue.ESP_119_ Windows Glow - Tribunal Eng.esp_120_ Windows Glow - Bloodmoon Eng.esp_121_ Great House Dagoth.esp_122_ Clean Nerevar Say Nerevar Again_v1.01.esp_123_ Cait's Squirrels.esp_124_ k_sneakattack.esp_125_ Morrowind Crafting 2-1.esp_126_ Morrowind Crafting Equipment.esp_127_ Less_Generic_Bloodmoon.esp_128_ chain_armor_set.esp_129_ Windows Glow - Raven Rock Eng.esp_130_ Clerical Robes.esp_131_ Publicans 1.1.esp_132_ Bounty Hunters 1.1.esp_133_ Brigands 1.1.esp_134_ Knock Knock Mod 1.2.esp_135_ Camonna Tong's violence 1.2.esp_136_ Ald-Ruhn game of three cups.esp_137_ dreugh_armor_set.esp_138_ Sorting Urns.esp_139_ Master Trainers.esp_140_ Chariots.esp_141_ Oil Flask 1.1.esp_142_ Traps.esp_143_ Venefic Vials.esp_144_ Armory.esp_145_ Scrolls and SoulGems 1.1.esp_146_ Enchanting Desk.esp_147_ Living Statues of Malacath.esp_148_ beware of pickpockets! 1.4.esp_149_ Murderous Dreams_Safe.esp_150_ H.E.L.L.U.V.A._A.A._MEDIUM 1.0.esp_151_ H.E.L.L.U.V.A._A.A._LIGHT 1.0.esp_152_ Vurt's Grazelands Trees Bushy.esp_153_ Vurt's Grazelands Trees.esp_154_ H.E.L.L.U.V.A._A.A._Heavy 1.0.esp_155_ AtmosphericSoundEffects-3.0-Tribunal.esp_156_ Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp_157_ Nasty Camonna Tong.esp_158_ netch_armor_resource.esp_159_ Health Fix.esp_160_ Animated Morrowind.esp_161_ New Voices.esp_162_ BTB - Character.esp_163_ BTB - Spells.esp_164_ Sleepers, Awake!.esp_165_ BTB - Alchemy.esp_166_ Vurt's BC Tree Replacer II.esp_167_ guarskin_drum_replacer.esp_168_ LeftGloves_Addon_v2.esp_169_ Area Effect Projectiles.esp_170_ BTB - Equipment.esp_171_ UniqueFinery.esp_172_ BTB - Settings.esp_173_ Books of Vvardenfell.esp_174_ TLM - Light Sources (Lanterns).esp_175_ TLM - External Lights Ownership.esp_176_ chemwar.esp_177_ Faster-v10.esp_178_ Unique Jewelry and Accessories.esp_179_ Cait's Critters Unleashed 2.0 (Tribunal).esp_180_ Better_Sounds.esp_181_ Welcome to the Arena! v5.5.esp_182_ NOM 3.0.esp_183_ Hold it - NoM addon.ESP

Unrelated with graphics problems (better see MGE threads, there may be answers for similar problems there), anyway abotGondoliersRV.esp should replace abotGondoliers.esp if and only if you are using Piratelord's Resigned Vivec, with your current mod list you should remove abotGondoliersRV.esp.
Not sure, but I would check also if Vurt's Grazelands Trees Bushy.esp and Vurt's Grazelands Trees.esp are meant to be mutually exclusive

Thank you.

My other problems still aren't solved tho

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Here is Vurt's weather mod.
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8085

You can tweak bloom settings for less bloom too.

If distant land fails, it is probably a d3d8.dll and shader file problem. Install the base svn version then the custom package you are using. There can be a "Shader Compiler Errors - InGame.fx.txt" file inside Morrowind folder. Posting that can help.

I see no such file anywhere. And I'm suppose to do what? svn version, what? More simple instructions for an idiot like me please ...

Thx

I've actually fix all the problems now but the water. It's just the same.
MGEgui is the one that's suppose to change it right, or are there other mods? I remember it having exactly like on the screenshots I've posted, now it's just plain old Morrowind and I have no idea why

MGE has many sub versions. If you are not using the correct version, oddities might occur.

http://www.somethingfornobody.com/2011/morrowind-modding-guide/

Skip to step 7. You follow those and you should get it working.

Are you using Morrowind Overhaul? It is very user friendly, you may consider it.

I'll try. And yes I am using Morrowind Overhaul. The problem is it's only for graphics and not gameplay. The maker of the overhaul pack still didn't release the overhaul for game experience. So I had to get all the mods by hand and install them by hand.

EDIT: Yes, I'm using the original non sub version. Same problem. I've uninstalled MGEgui completely, tried with non-sub version and then we sub and the same shlt happens

I'm still having water problems, but I don't care about it anymore that much.

I have bigger issues now. Game just randomly goes "not responding" and closes every now and then. It happens randomly. Sometimes when I just stand still, sometimes when I talk, read a book, fight, sleep, load, do anything really.
I know this kind of things are almost impossible to solve, but I'm wondering if there is maybe a program that tells you what went wrong, or some "morrowind error log" or osomething?

Or of the list mods I showed you, which one could cause this problem? MGEgui has anything to do with it? Which mod if any?

This is my Mlox error list:

[NOTE] > 'Pursuit Enhanced.esp' | These mods require Morrowind Script Extender (MWSE) v0.9.3 or later, or MGE v3.5.6 or later.[CONFLICT] > 'NOM 3.0.esp' > '[SIZE !739807 Real_wildlife_2b Complete.esp]' | NoM 3.0 comes with a compatibility version of "Real_wildlife_2b Complete.esp" that should be used instead of the original. | (Ref: "Readme NoM 3.0.html")[NOTE] > 'Persuasion Response Expansion.esp' | ! The latest version of this mod is 4.0 ("P.R.E. v4.0.esp"), you may want to upgrade: | ! http://www.freewebs.com/glassboy/dialogfocus.htm[NOTE] > "[SIZE 53226 The regulars - Sitting NPC's v2.02.esp]" | !! This plugin contains evil GMSTs. | !! (What the hell is a GMST? http://www.mwmythicmods.com/argent/tech/gmst.html )[CONFLICT] > [ANY >   "Taddeus'BalancedWeapons.esp", >   "MISSING(Taddeus'BalancedWeapons_Rotate.esp)"] > [ANY >   'MISSING(AreaEffectArrows.esp)', >   'MISSING(AreaEffectArrows XB Edition.esp)', >   'MISSING(Area Effect Arrows.esp)', >   'Area Effect Projectiles.esp', >   'MISSING(Area Effect Projectiles (PAR Edit).esp)'] | Taddeus'BalancedWeapons includes a balanced version of the following plugin: (official) Area Effect Arrows. | (Ref: Taddeus'BalancedWeapons - Readme.txt)[NOTE] > 'TLM - Ambient Light + Fog Update.esp' | In order to retain the modified interior light settings of TLM, "TLM - Ambient Light + Fog Update.esp" must load later than any mod that might change a pre-existing interior cell.[Plugins already in sorted order. No sorting needed!]current saved to: current_loadorder.outmlox sorted saved to: mlox_new_loadorder.out

To fix Pursuit, I need MWE or MWSE. They both need to be ran as a stand alone application along with Morrowind right? Which one should I use? I've installed Graphics Overhaul, did that already did something maybe? OR does MGEgui do something?
How to fix evil gmsts? Or the Ambient light thingy?

Thanks

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That mlox report is very clear. It says, MWSE or MGE. You have MGE(MGE includes MWSE!). MLOX provides a link about evil GMSTs. Follow it and read it. I use TES Advanced Mod Editor to remove evil GMSTs.

You can mostly ignore ambient light warning. It is not clear which plugins touch interior cells(I use TESAME to check that too), I trust MLOX' order mostly. Your other problems might be special to MGSO, I would ask these questions on official MGSO thread. Also MGE and mods are at different planes of existence. You should ask about your MGE problems on official MGE thread. People there would help you more than I could here.

Make sure you successfully created distant land files. Make sure you have enabled distant land. Make sure you have the correct version of MGE and custom packages. You got it to working once, don't give up.