I'm alright with banning violent games from sale to minors. But technically it's in place already, The problem isn't the game, it's bad parents who are to ignorant to do research. Really, you're surprised little jimmy who's 12, is playing a game called Modern Warfare, and you're surprised it has, oh, I don't know, warfare in it?

My problem with the American government today is people are so damn lazy, they're expecting the government to do all their parenting and diet research for them. I mean, half those parents bellowing these bad games are making bad kids. No, it's bad parents making bad kids.

It would seem that pormography, even with those restrictions is still a highly profitable business.

I for one am happy that they have restrictions in place. Think about it, would you want your 10 year old son or daughter to be able to go out and purchase the latest issue of Penthouse? The hottest new porm flick?

Don't get me wrong, I like it as much as the next guy, but there are restrictions in place for a reason.Even with these restrictions in place, cigarettes, alcohol, and pormography are still a very highly profitable business.

Well, I'd probably high five my son, if I had one.

:hehe: You say that now, but in reality, if that were really to happen, Id be willing to bet that you'd be pretty upset and calling for the heads of those responsible for allowing a ten year old child to be able to purchase those items.

Children are not permitted to purchase cigarettes, alcohol, or pormography because they are deemed inappropriate for children, I don't see why violent/mature rated video games should be any different in this matter. Most of the games I see children playing now are highly inappropriate for their age. Yes the parents need to step up and be the parent, but as I already said once, since the parents can't seem to be bothered to be the parents, then somebody has to step up and say, "no you can't do that. "

I don't believe for a minute that in the long run sales of mature rated games would suffer too much. A quick look at the porm industry is a pretty good example of how profitable it can be to cater to a more mature audience.

If this were twenty or so years ago, then I might agree that restricting minors for buying mature rated games might harm the industry; since back then, the video game industry wasn't nearly what it is now, and even advlts my age (40 yrs) grew up playing video games, and we still do. Video games are commonplace nowadays and aren't going anywhere anytime soon...regardless of whether we ban sales of mature content to minors.

I grabbed Fallout 3 GOTY the other day at EB. It was real cute when the person asked me "Are you 17 or older". lololo

Here, alota places ID you if you look young and are trying to get a M rated game.

The main issue with the law is that it just shifts the blame from the parents to the place that sells the games. It is the job of the parents to raise the kids not the job of the shops, the local police, other parents, or the government. That is one thing that angers me so much lately with people whining, crying, [censored]ing, and moaning demanding that the world parent their kids yet are "upset" when their kids don't turn out right. Right now the PRIMARY reason I turned out alright is the fact my mom actually had the guts to parent me instead of handing me off to someone else. To the parents out there that pay attention to their kids I applaud you and to the others that pawn them off on someone else you need an A whoopin bad.

As previously stated, Some parents can't seem to be bothered to say no to their kids when it come to video games. My brother and sister are also guilty of doing this." Since the parents can't seem to be bothered to do their jobs, then someone else has to.

It really is a shame that the gov. has to come in and do the job that parents ought to be doing themselves. Until the grown ups get around to being just that, then I'm all for banning the sale of Mature rated game to minors.

I don't understand why we should force stores to not sell the games. If the store does not want to sell violent games to minors, than they don't have to.

My government (technically not the govenrment, but an independent statutory body) can ban any media in the same way. They rarely do. There is not much censorship that takes place beyond censoring what is already illegal or obscene. All it does is stop pormographers from harming society. They aren't going to come for you in the night because you insulted yoru congressman, calm down.

Yes the sell pretty good but they can sell MUCH more if minors could. Also movies and games are different because normally you will have to bring your parents to watch the movie with. However with games you just need to bring your parents to buy the game and you can play it in private.

Parents still need to be the parents and not be afraid to say no you can't have that. I remember growing up (back before they invented electricity :whistling: ) my parents had no problems telling us kids that, NO you can't have that, or no you can't do that/go there, or whatever. This type of parenting appears to have been lost by far too many parents these days because they are afraid to upset their children... and that begs the question; Just who is in charge, the parent or the child?

Not really. What does it matter if your parents are watching you play? Or if they go with you to watch an R-rated movie? The minor is still going to see it either way. :shrug:



pormographers harm society? :blink:

I thought they were a valuable asset... And if there were more of them, there could be peace on earth. Think about it, Everyone would be too busy to fight. :hubbahubba:

NC17 movies sell horribly, and movie studios are constantly pressuring writers/directors/etc. to tone their movies down to PG13. If R rated videogames were banned for minors, major retailers like Walmart could/would stop selling them (like they don't sell NC17 rated movies), and studios would loose tons of money. And since the games will no longer be profitable, they will no longer be made (or be made as much).

M-rated games =/= NC-17 correct? Besides, unless I'm horribly wrong, it's already against store policy (I.E. Wal-mart/Gamestop) to sell M-rated games to minors. As in we have something similar in place, minus the fine. The fine being what matters to legislators though.
Not saying that I'm for the ban, by the way. I think it's a stupid idea since most stores, as I said, don't sell to minors without a parent/guardian.

What do you mean "Activision of all companies"? Of course Activision doesn't like this law, it would mean they have a smaller potential audience for games that they make.

Lol. I laugh now cause it failed, but one of these times its going to pass and we'll all be like :unsure2: :mellow:

But by then it wont matter cause we'll all be too old to be effected!! so HAH!

Wait wait wait. Minors already can't buy T or M in America... Atleast not in NC.
http://www.gamespot.com/images/6304733/violent-game-bill-debate-sides-with-industry/1/?path=2011%2F76%2Froadrunner_82448_screen.jpg&caption=Road%2BRunner%252C%2Bon%2Ba%2Bconceptual%2Blevel%252C%2Bhad%2Bsome%2Bvery%2Bdisturbing%2Bmessages.&blog=1&cvr=DKd%2F

Exactly the industry and stores have done a pretty good job of policing themselves with the rating system and policies to not sell to minors. Unfortunately there are busy-bodies who don't think that is enough, even though it is for any other entertainment industry.

They already don't allow minors to buy violent games either way no matter what there will ALWAYS be a minors violent playing games.

LIES! Everything cost money just go into a grocery store or a gas station if you don't believe me.

Keep these games on the top shelf or behind the counter away from general customer view.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/115/1156452p1.html

Like the girly mags? That's not a a bad idea; out of sight, out of mind. Of course I still think there should be certain age restrictions in place regarding the sale to minors. Government can't regulate what the parents do with the game after it is purchased, but they can prevent children from making the actual purchase.

So what about the bans on violent movies, tv shows, songs, and books? When are those gonna come in?

Yes, they stunt children's sixual maturity and can cause mental issues for the rest of their lives. That's why we restrict it's sale to them, and videogames ought to be similarly restricted.

You know what, lets just hand out [censored] house bubbles to everyone so we can live in our hermetically sealed houses with no access to the harmful outside world. That way, the parent's don't even have to get off their asses to even try to see what their kids are doing!

The difference between the industry self regulating sales of video games, and the government regulating them, is that if the government did regulate their sales, VIDEO GAMES WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED ART.

And, as not being considered art, the government could mandate censors, toning down, or WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO MANDATE, because, as video games would not be art, they could be censored. So just the same way certain types of porm are not allowed, video games could be censored in the same way. Compare this to books, movies, pictures, paintings, digital art, or what have you, which can NOT be censored by the government.

The difference between self-regulation and government regulation is far, far greater than many in this thread are making it out to be.

Correct, NC-17 movies are more like AO-rated games than M-rated ones. As I recall, when GTA San Andreas got re-rated AO, Rockstar re-released it as M with the offending content removed so it could stay on shelves.