Some of you might have heard that California recently tried to ban violent video game sales to minors. Fortunately it will fail just like it always has and Activision of all companies argued against it and disproved the fake studies the soccer moms who, instead of being a good parent, are trying to ban video games, had tried to make.

Linky: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6304733.html

Ever since we remaned the judiciary division of the House of Lords to the Supreme Court, these American threads scare me a lot more.

Yea, uhm guys, ill bold, make it huge, and make it in red:


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Technically, this law would break our constitutional rights.

Oh, wait, ban violent videogame sales TO MINORS? Why not, that's the system we have in place here. Constitutional rights can be restricted if it is necessary to protect children. Like how you can't skip school on the grounds it is false imprisonment. advlts would still be able to play.

Born 12 years before the rating system for videogames.... So I don't really notice the ratings.

Just checked.... Looks like it washttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_%28video_game%29 or doom

I'm sorry, but what is wrong with this law exactly? Games are rated for a reason you know and games with a M rating obviously shouldn't be sold to minors without a parent / guardian present. :huh:

It's the same with films, you can't go see a film that has an 18+ rating if you're a minor. Why should video games be any different?


No it wouldn't :rolleyes:

Born before video games were invented :wink_smile:

I agree completely. Nothing says your kid needs to play games either. Just stay away and never play anything if you think that's whats right. There's no law saying I have to listen to Justin Bieber. So therefore I don't feel that I have to ban his music either if I'm not effected by it. I'll let those little teen girl idiots listen to him, just like those soccer moms should let those other "violent" children do what they want.

I have shot dozens of guns and used many weapons over my lifetime and I play tons of violent games. Do I have the want to kill anyone yet? Nope. Some people are just crazy and anything could have set them off.


BTW: Why don't parents flip over things like Tom and Jerry and Looney Tunes? I just don't understand what the heck they are thinking.

ITT: angry children.

heh only one to vote 5-under with M game.... Diablo 2 when I was five.... nuff said

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Even Oscilloscope pong?

Ratings are there for a reason. But given how well this system works even here in overly efficient and bureaucratic Germany, I doubt it would have changed the sales in California either.


€: And thanks for making me feel old, Jaden.

How "well" it works? Last time I checked Germans and Aussies are always getting games banned or otherwise censored. In fact I can name two major releases in just as many months (Bulletstorm & Mortal Kombat)

Me too. What's really weird to me is that parents from my generation are probably some of the people who support the whole " violent video games have negative effects on our children." When did my genertation become a bunch of F-ing squares?

But as far as the topic for this thread, I don't mind the game rating system, I just think it is weird that teens can go watch tv, or read a magazine and be subjected to the same violent and sixual images that are rate "M" in video games. I just hate the fact the video games are singled out as a negative influence on youth.

You'd think parent would be more worried about the fact that teens can probably go out and buy a bag of weed easier than buying an "M" rated title. Sure, little Timmy might not be able to play resident evil 5 but when it comes to smoking a blunt behind the dumpsters at school, no problemo.

Maybe instead of a rating system maybe parent should actually pay attention to what there kids are doing and actually take a look at the media your kid is absorbing. But that's crazy talk, let's leave it to the supreme court to decide what's best for your kids. :rolleyes:

Edit: Actually it was Castle Wolfenstein (is that M rated? ) or the Doom series. I believe my Dad actually introduced me to these games.

If that was invented in 1958 then no (had to google it to see when it was invented)

I couldn't agree with you more. Especially that last part. These soccer moms should try being actual parents instead of letting the Supreme Court raise their kids for them.

Admittedly it would be strange if a gamer in Argentina were the first to complain about games being banned in Germany.

Uh..

No..

Not even close

I watched my dad play Wolfestein 3D and Spear of Destiny when I was a wee one, but I never played it myself until something like 6 years ago. When I got my PS2, I think God of War is the first M rated game I played. As for T-rated games, I'm not sure: was Golden Axe rated teen? I have a bit of a gaming gap between the Sega Genesis and when I got into PC gaming about 7 or 8 years ago. Plus or minus a few years, I can never keep track of things anymore.

EDIT: also: WOOT! +10 to the Constitution. Glad the Supreme Court didn't screw this one up (they seem as likely to violate/bend the constitution as to uphold it). Take that California! Go focus on your fiscal problems and stop being such a nanny.

Gta3 when I was 6 yeah!

I had to vote 17 or older because they didn't have video games that needed M+ ratings or T+ ratings when I was a kid. For my son, I can say he was 3 when he started playing Morrowind.

Not really. The USA is bound by laws, but the constitution also defines the limit government can have. Also, minors don't really have rights.

My thoughts. Had to get my parent's consent when I was 15 and 16 to watch R rated movies and play M rated games. Not that it wasn't hard to do, along with my friends who had GTA3 when they were 12 and 13 (and also had some extremely conservative parents)

As I read the article, I disagree with plenty of the details behind it, but the idea of not selling M rated games to people under 17 is something they already do with movies with R rated movies.

Quick clarification:

In the US, there is no such thing as a "constitutional right". This country was founded on the belief in Natural Law which states that all rights are inherent in the people and only rights which are willingly surrendered (i.e. Consent of the Governed) are vested as explicit powers in the government. The US Constitution lists all of the powers the government has and states that any powers not listed are owned by the States and the people, it does not grant any rights since it assumes that the people already have all of the rights. It instead lists the rights we the people have surrendered in order to form the Union.

Also, here in the US it is not illegal to admit someone who is under 17 into an R rated movie. It is an industry policy that no one under 17 will be admitted, just as it is a store policy to check ID for M rated games and R rated DVDs.

As far as the law is concerned, I disagree with the law as it isa reduction of the rights of the citizens of California. I disagree even more with the Supreme Court's decision as the federal government has no authority whatsoever with regard to intra-state commerce. I am also unhappy that the retail stores and game publishers have not taken more active steps in curtailing access to M rated games to those under 17 which would make this entire situation moot. In my opinion, everyone is in the wrong here.

All anyone really needs to get a M rated game if they're 16 and younger is a note from a parent 90% of the time, 9.9% phone call, and 0.1% the guy is being an ass. Same with going to a R rated movie.