I never thought of Mirabelle as a prosttute; I just thought she was easy. With a thing for sailors.
Desele's could have used a bit more dialogue... was nice change of pace from the talking statues tho.

You sure you're not asking for a little too much? :S

Do you really want to be a Skyrim pimp?

Only if it comes with a sweet hat and cane.

Sick. Sick. Very bad people.

And in other words - I like the friendly feeling in ES, you do things for greater goods or greater greeds and never aim for six while you do them, It makes the game more special and pure. Its about the only unrealistic thing i wish to have in ES.
At other cases i would say make it realistic as it can get...
BUT No six in ES, no nudity... It would ruin the... Pure fantasy magic the game has.

I don't want stuff like prostitution in the game because, quite frankly, I want a more family friendly gaming experience. If you want prostitution, there's a great series call Fallout that you may be interested in.

Yeah i don't think so. Correct me if I'm wrong but Oblivion was rated "T" at release right? and then it got changed to "M" due to mods... right? well Todd said already that they were designing Skyrim under the assumption that it is going to be rated M. They probably just realized "modders are gonna make this game M anyway... why hold ourselves back to a "T" rated game."

Sorry people who wanted a more family friendly game... It looks like Skyrim is going to be the most advlt-oriented game so far.

:rofl: LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLOLLOL!!!!!! :rofl:

Did you say that with a straight face. I watched my girlfriend play about two hours worth of Oblivion. I would have liked to sign my character in too, but, you know, no co-op. Anyway. . . . heads on pikes, with the skulls cracked to reveal . .. too damned much. Mutilated bodies. nvde, dead, mutilated bodies, and the only reason you couldn't see the tender frontals. . . is because they had clearly been. . . badly damaged, somehow. If I were to use a single word to describe some of the things you see in Oblivion, between the dangling corpses, and the impaled corpses, and the heaps of mangled, mutilated dead. . . it would probably be either nauseating, or disgusting. Family Friendly would never even enter my head. Nor would "pure", as the poster above you suggested.

I cannot believe my eyes when I read some of these arguments. What ill, what terror, what impropriety, what trauma is it that something like nudity or even something more explicitly risque' like prostitution could EVER bring to these games that could EVER begin to rival the horror of a mangled corpse spitted on a stake with many of its essentials conspicoulsy missing?

And, again, the Fable series, with its Teen and M ratings, had prostitution in each installment. DOA 3 had in game nudity. It was teen rated. This Helen Lovejoy (Rev.Lovejoy's wife on The Simpsons) cry of "please won't someone think of the children," has grown trite and stale. The gruesome depictions of certain things in this game makes plain, they ain't for little kiddies. And as for teens. . . give us a break. Any teenager who doesn't know what a buttock looks like, or who is unaware that there is such a thing as a prosttute, needs to be sent to a Special Education program immediately, as they are clearly not functioning at average capacity. Most countries and states legally allow for teens to consent to actual six by age 16, and to drive and to work, so. . . what otherwise inaccessible harm is it that will come to them from limited nudity or the rumour of prosttutes in a videogame?

I'll tell you what. . . they could have a Brothel as large and full as The Imperial City itself, with every person in it displaying full frontal nudity, and it still wouldn't be half as disturbing to any normal human being as the condition of the corpses staked outside the towers in Mehrunes Dagon's Deadlands, or dangling from ropes in the caverns of The Necromancers of Cyrodil.

(On an opening note, please realise this is a board for a mature game with a fairly mature audience before putting it up for moderation)

It's just i can see this making sense in the world of ES. and im not just getting the idea from Fo:NV.

Just think about it. there's tons of beggars around, surely some of them would be prosttutes in order to earn money? i know this is also a forum on introducing s*x into the game, which i dont think is a bad idea. Prostitution would make the cities a lot more realistic, especially *rough* or poor cities, since they said there will be a lot more cities in skyrim. and, yes, both male and female prosttutes would be availible, which i suppose would introduce homosixuality, but that could also make NPC's much more unique.If ur against that, think of FO:NV and how little effect it had to ur gameplay of it, as well as it being one of the best perks around lol.

I could also see it as part of the Thieves guild, as they could be the "eyes and ears" of its leader as well as the beggars and they can subtley*acquire* information from certain people. and i can see a small quest line that you can manage them, with infamy coming from it of course.

Summary: i think this could really help with the immersion of the game, and to make random NPC's more unique.

What do ye think?

I think that a game that has prostitution is wasting time it could be spending on enhancing gameplay. If you really want to pay for stuff like that you can order plenty games like that from Japan, unfortunately...

What part of Role Playing Game do you not understand?

You want to role play paying for six? Sigh...

I play games to be entertained. I would lmao if I could hire a prosttute in the game. I would enjoy it as much as any other aspect of the game.

You want to role play bashing in peoples skulls and slicing their necks all the time? Sigh...

Yeah but at least combat has a sort of tactical appeal to it, and most of the time your the hero. Whatever, I guess mods have made it obvious that people want that sort of thing.

Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean its the end of the thread and suddenly everyone agrees with you. At least come up with an arguement.

as long as they add proper six scenes. if not, make them unhireable and just for flavour.
No need to waste dev time and resources.

It depends on how it is introduced. All of the Fable games had Prostitution, as well as "almost nudity" amongst some prosttutes, and none of them have ever come close to the advlt rating. I believe Fable II was rated teen.

so were Mass effect & Dragon age & they had six

The fact is, an M rated game might sell fewer copies. Appealing to the 14 and under crowd is lucrative. Just look at Harry Potter.

Which means I'm all for prosttutes and any such mature content that they can portray in a serious and tasteful manner. Books do it. Movies too. It's about time video games grow up.

There are a lot of NPC's that have jobs that don't make any difference to the PC. I don't know why your excluding prostitution from that.

I'm in favor of prosttutes if they're more like tavern wenches. The other thread demanded that the [censored]s all get a unified guild that's well established everywhere, which I really think is just stupid. But I don't think it should be anything that the player themselves gets to participate in. More like background resources like Assassin's creed, where you just use them to acquire information. So it's not really any sort of extra game function, but simply a job that NPC's can hve, just as others can be woodcutters and miners.

If they were ever included in a TES game I think it would be very subtle and very G rated. Its just not something that is necessary. Its not to say its a bad idea, but its just not to say its a good one either.

sixual content can and will only be added to TES in extreme moderation if you ask me. Most six content in games these days seems to be mostly for shock value if anything. TES doesnt need these gimmicks to make it a good game. Ive never played a ES game and been unsatisfied because it lacked in sixual content. I think thats what makes references like 'The Lusty Argonian Maid' funny in themselves. It almost seems to mock the fact that ES doesnt have sixual content, as it is very mild yet in your face at the same time. I loved it.

Keep things like the Lusty Argonian Maid and Boethia's Pillow Book, and the other various advlt references in OB. These were more than enough for me to get my kicks, and a few laughs, when playing.

Keep advlt content funny rather than sixy.

That's nice and all, but obviously you have not played as many TES games as you would like us to believe. I'm referring to the nudity and prosttutes in Daggerfall, which you do not know about.

If they were ever included in a TES game I think it would be very subtle and very G rated...

I wouldn't mind a prostitution guild if it added to the world beyond making it more "gritty" or "realistic." It needs to be properly incorporated into the culture of Skyrim. Is prostitution frowned upon, restricted, regulated? Or is it an acceptable profession, or even a noble one? Do religions approve of, dislike, or sanction it? What is its historical and cultural basis? etc. Putting in ladies you can sleep for for the sake of having ladies you can sleep with is a waste of time and opportunity imo.

It is not word play. I am responding to someone how's saying prostitution makes the game more "realistic", yet the game deals with magic, mythological creatures, etc. so the game isn't "realistic" at all. Besides, if you want "realism" (as in implementing real life aspects into the game) , there are countless things that can be implemented into the game, countless aspects who people actually see every day and hear about every day, which would make the game seem more "real".

And you saying "precisely my point. There is a reason why prostitution should be in" just proves what I am saying. There really isn't anything ancillary that should be in the game, and that is all that prosttutes would be in a TES game, an insignificant ancillary aspect of the game. How the stories are told, how the quests are designed and how they progress, that's what gives mood and depth.

There really isn't anything ancillary that should be in the game

Your post reminds me of those recipes one sometimes finds. By the time one gets to test them, they fail miserably.

Let's see.

It is word play, and not of the smartest kind. Quarrel all you want about how imprecise the term ?Realism? is in that context or how the poster misued it. You know darn well he was alluding to plausability. Skyrim will feel more plausible with prosttutes in rather than left out. That's because Reality is pregnant with contradictions. The mere existence of prostitution lends levelyness, because it unveils exisring contradictions: social, of gender nature, spacial segregation, black economy, etc. prostitution naturally evokes.

Now, your second paragraph is a fine mess.



Sheer nonsense. Games are composite. They're madde of all sorts of things, big and important, minute and auxiliary.

To me, it seems like you - and most of the opponents - are raising their voce against prostitution based on an undisclosed motive. The points presented so far are so frail and inconsistent that there appears to be some other agenda behind all this. If you disapprove of prostitution both in fiction and in real life come forward and say so. No flowery vacuum, please.

Your post reminds me of those recipes one sometimes finds. By the time one gets to test them, they fail miserably.

Let's see.

It is word play, and not of the smartest kind. Quarrel all you want about how imprecise the term ?Realism? is in that context or how the poster misued it. You know darn well he was alluding to plausability. Skyrim will feel more plausible with prosttutes in rather than left out. That's because Reality is pregnant with contradictions. The mere existence of prostitution lends levelyness, because it unveils exisring contradictions: social, of gender nature, spacial segregation, black economy, etc. prostitution naturally evokes.

Now, your second paragraph is a fine mess.



Sheer nonsense. Games are composite. They're madde of all sorts of things, big and important, minute and auxiliary.
Prostitution would serve many purposes, none of them of pillar nature, but auxiliary and certainly beneficial to gameplay variety, complexity and nunace. Prostitution could provide additional variety and interestes to quests, allowing them to break out of the too rigid mold they sometimes find themselves in. There is tremedous potencial here. Too bad you can't see it.

To me, it seems like you - and most of the opponents - are raising their voce against prostitution based on an undisclosed motive. The points presented so far are so frail and inconsistent that there appears to be some other agenda behind all this. If you disapprove of prostitution both in fiction and in real life come forward and say so. No flowery vacuum, please.

What happens when married Khajiit comes home from the brothel? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6W19KTlZo

Unfortunately you are correct. I do NOT see all the so called potential that you do when it comes to this prostitution thing. In fact, after listening to you explain it Im almost ready to change my opinion from I dont realliy care to No.

And thus you have unvoluntarily confirmed the depth of your thought process on this particular subject:
Shallow.

:cookie: ???

I would say based on the way you creepily INSIST upon prostituion, that your motives should be under question. The 'undisclosed motive' theory seems like the ramblings of a paranoid wacko who things people are conspiring against prostitution in TES. I find it really strange how passionate you are about this particular aspect, something that is meaningless in the face of The Elder Scrolls. Ive read this entire post and I cant find anything that sways me to the point of thinking prostitution is a good idea.

Unfortunately you are correct. I do NOT see all the so called potential that you do when it comes to this prostitution thing. In fact, after listening to you explain it Im almost ready to change my opinion from 'I dont really care' to No.