"It's just i can see this making sense in the world of ES"
That was the OP's reason for prostitution to be in the game.

While poop can't be compared with prostitution, their reasons can. That's why I brought it up, so it's not a bad argument. It's modus tollens based on the OP's base premise.

Good points, but bound to start a fierce battle.

Paid six occupations would have to be relevant to some quests, for them to be meaningful.
That wouldn't be too hard to do.

Perhaps both arguments are just as bad as each other?? . The rest of the reasons in the thread aren't the same as the OPs, so perhaps respond to one of them instead??

Technically everyone has their price lol. Maybe if you're rich enough you should be able to tempt anyone into a bit of prostitution - i'm sure some of those miners or woodcutters would be pretty flattered at the attention...

(@ mods, I said miners not minors)

God no I just wanted to respond to the OP's

I don't really care much of prostitution so it's really nothing I wanna read pages about and search through every single possible argument.

It depends on how it is introduced. All of the Fable games had Prostitution, as well as "almost nudity" amongst some prosttutes, and none of them have ever come close to the advlt rating. I believe Fable II was rated teen.

I think what keeps you immersed in TES games significantly differs from what keeps me immersed in them. Immersion isnt a synonym for realism. For me it wouldn't add any value to the game at all, but thats just my opinion. Plus it was done like this in Fable.

skyrim is an M rated game, so no six

It's not on the top of my list but I wouldn't say no to prostitution. It already is in one form or other in Morrowind and Oblivion. The Witcher is a game where they dealt in a pro way with "grittier" atmosphere. prosttutes were a part of it and you could pay them for their services or do quests to protect them. I don't care if they include them or not, but it's kinda funny how these threads are way more popular than other suggestions, which proves that this is a "hot" topic in games as it is in reality lol

I think prostitution should not be in.

Not because I'm a prude, not because I think it's "bad, mkay?" but because it doesn't sit well with Nords.

Nords (like Vikings) don't pay/trade for six. Ergo, Skyrim should not have it, except if Dunmer/ Orcs are the ones to provide.

Well where does it say in lore that Nords specifically don't pay/trade for six?

Ok, let's deal with your rationale:

1. Nords, albeith the prevalent one, are *NOT* the only race in Skyrim.
2. Nords are not vikings. Bethesda may draw inspiration from them, that is all. They can take whichever creative liberty they feel like.
3. You should provide at least one example in past ES lore that advises against prostitution in Skyrim, if you're going to wave that kind of argument.

Right. Just blood, gore, and mutilated corpses (Oblivion's were really disgusting if you botherd to take a good look at them).
Ridiculous. The whole backwards nature of it all needs to be ridiculed directly into hell. But what are you going to do?

Anyway, I restate, for those who failed to take note, The Fable Series featured prostitution and six with prosttutes in ALL three games currently in the franchise (black screen six, but still). And all of those games have either a Teen or Mature rating.

Whoa! Vikings were notorious for taking things without paying for them, if you understand my meaning. If Bethesda is squeamish about prostitution and nudity, I promise they don't want to try to implement everything the Vikings may have done into their games.

Anything to make the poorer parts of cities actually seem rough. I mean, off the top of my head, the waterfront still had Oblivions jolly music and everyone seemed to be doing just fine, the atmosphere wasn't right at all.

It'd be a great opportunity to throw in some "Unforgiven" style quests. Can't get much more gritty than that.

I think that allowing the PC to interact with prosttutes physically would deprive the younger fan base. However, I am for the inclusion of named prosttutes in rougher parts of cities who climb into the same bed as NPCs and such.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Mirabelle_Monet has the general idea right. Maybe some more flattering clothing and better dialog.

.. again, a realistic world with magic, dragons, elves, orcs, different planes of reality...


As a general comment... usually when the term "mature" is called upon to rationalize things like prostitution in a game, it really isn't...
Take a game like TES... so there's a brothel on some street, and you know so and so are prosttutes, now what? You want to be able to hire your pixelated prosttute? Please...

"Mature" doesn't mean "put six/drugs/homosixuality/extra gore in the game because it is a mature game"
Mature is more of the player being mature enough to understand why something is in the game, and the player is past the feeling of titillation because the player sees an 1920x1080 boob.

so were Mass effect & Dragon age & they had six

As in the locked thread.....:

No one is saying they want a six simulator. Strawman.

What they are saying is that the profession under discussion has a long history in the Elder Scrolls world. Would it take some thoughtful writing to deal with it? Oh yes. Would it be worth it? Oh yes. For example:

Why a guild? For protection. As a way to govern what can and can not happen to a member. And as a guild, it also means that they can enforce certain standards if a member wants to keep their membership. And guarantee the clients certain standards and protections. It would also separate the tavern wenches from the Acolytes of Dibella (the sacred prosttute, where the act is a form of worship. And yes, that did exist in the real world. Research ancient cultures for the facts). Then there is the fact that prosttutes were tolerated because their actions tended to keep the soldiers from going after the civilians, for the most part.

What benefit could any of this possibly provide the game? Hmm.
1) A source of information. As there are ports, there would be brothels. A strange sailor probably wouldn't say much but 'Get Lost' to you, Dovahkin or not. But a little coin could tempt a songbird to chirp all she learned the night before.
2) It would add to the realism. Oblivion literally rogered the orangutan on that one. The imperial city was only that in name. It was far too small. Lacking in -any- encamped army. And equally lacking in organized ladies/lads of the evening to keep the encamped soldiers from going for the rich ladies.
3) Quest potential. You could get a quest to find a kidnapped daughter. And find she was sold as a slave to a brothel on the other side of the province. Or was going to be cattleshipped out in 4 days, giving you a time limit to find her. Or finding out that she ran away on her own, or because of something she found out, and decided to at least have fun in her exile. Leaving you the choice of killing her and lying, leaving her, or dragging her back home.
A certain lady of the evening could have the knowledge of where a dragon's cavern with a new shout (or part of one) is hidden, but she has this problem.
You sit at a certain bar, a certain barmaid makes a couple of rather direct plays, and you find yourself suddenly dealing with her jealous ex.
You are sent to one of the warring factions, and are duly impressed with the person you met. Things seem to be going swimmingly, as you think you see a way to give Esbern access to the raw material to begin building the Blades once again. But you get an anonymous message to meet someone for some info. And you find a battered pro. who proceeds to tell you that the person you admired was actually part of the faction that had caused many of the Blades to be killed. And is going for the finish. She knows this because she's been his for a long time, and he talks too much 'at certain times'. He thinks he's killed her. She wants revenge at the best, and to warn you at the very least, as she has heard of a living Dragonborn who has been shielding folks from the dragons...

That is literally an off the cuff assemblage of very basic quest ideas that would work very well with prosttutes. No six, no nudity. But plenty to allow the gamer's imagination to fill in with.

Don't dismiss someone else's point through wordplay. I'm sure you can do better. You know precisely well what the poster means.



You know what a literary ellipsis is?
People who raise their voices against prostitution in Skyrim based on the alleged implication of having to be too overt or even depict intercourse don't really believe that. They should know the power of suggestion. And I would refer them to countless examples in fiction where prosttutes have been put to great literary use.



Precisely my point. There is a reason why prostitution should be in. It does make sense. It introduces opportunities for more varied quests. It deepens the mood, it gives depth to settings, namely dubious outskirts, and it enlarges the cast of archtypes.

All good things in my book.

No Thanks! There's enough of that in the real world. I play to escape that garbage for a little while.

Oblivion http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Mirabelle_Monet and her http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Fo%27c%27s%27le. It was quite obvious in the game.

Morrowind had a http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Desele%27s_House_of_Earthly_Delights too.

It's been in the series. Not only in the games, but in the books within the game. It's part of the TES universe. Get over it.

I never thought of Mirabelle as a prosttute; I just thought she was easy. With a thing for sailors.
Desele's could have used a bit more dialogue... was nice change of pace from the talking statues tho.

with the new animation system i'm sure women/men "offering" themselves isn't out of the question.
and like you said, there's been A LOT of beggars in oblivion, and it was annoying as hell! they only took like what 5 gold or w/e which isn't that much, but it made me feel better
sure, prostitution would be like 50 gold but it'd make my character feel better and myself in general because i'm helping out a person?
well, i'm just saying that it could work and probably wouldn't take too much effort. :S