The courier and lone wanderer would crush the old fo guys, because they don t take turns or walk from square to square.


While the Vault Dweller took his turn to move from one square to the next, the LW/courier are just blasting away. Hell, they can even move and shoot at the same time. The VD or CO will have no chance.

After they take their turn, the LW/ courier will tak like 6 vats shots, then come out of vats and move freely in real time and smack the VD/CO all over the checker board lol

Good to see you still have no credibility on these subjects, good job.

This... Its not often when my character dies before I even roll him.

Not really sure how to read this poll

If this is Protagonists I enjoy playing
The Courier (I really enjoy the option, and the re-playability)

The Lone Wonder (Had some epic moments. It was night when I did the final assault on the purifier with Prime... It was like fireworks, and it actually felt good the first time)

The Chosen One (I don't remember much about it, but need to give it another try soon)

The Vault Dweller (I remember this as a kid, and I just got it again. I remember why I disliked it the first time. Not the graphics not the turn based, but the race the clock feeling)

The Warrior (I could never, ever, ever get past the very first mission. I have tried often, and well it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth)

I ve played turn based games before. I know what they are like.

A real time character will crush a turn based character hard.

How? Are you really being serious, that is straight up stupid, if it is a comparison, it is lore-based, not mechanic based, I can't believe someone would try to make a mechanic comparison, let alone your bashing the mechanics.

Well then you would not have used "Real armor" In your post.......

In lore the LW has access to the best pa ever created Hellfire armor.
He also has access to ALIEN TECH, that Im sure will blow a hole through what ever armor VD is wearing and him, then come out the back.

I went with the Courier. A normal guy, changing the world? What a great story!

This thread is mega lol for all and tbh tlw has a mirv and t-b51 i call that tvd ownd.

No, the Chosen one killed Frank Horrigan, and he would survive a MIRV blast to the face, he also punches deathclaws in half.

Exactly.

I honestly don't get the "well, based on lore..." argument because that can be seen multiple ways. Ok, the Lone Wanderer has Hellfire armor and alien tech, and the Chosen One blew up the Enclave, but isn't it equally impressive that the Courier likely blew up the BoS WITHOUT power armor? And that the Courier snuck through the Sierra Madre, into Nellis AFB and survived a life of confronting various factions and taking part in the Second Battle of Hoover Dam just with his cunning and toughness alone? As impressive as it is to have Hellfire armor, that cheapens TLW's successful assault on Adams AFB. He survived because he had the tech for it. The Courier survived just with himself. I see the whole argument as Legion vs. a Great Khan, for example. A Legionnaire will be well trained in close-range combat, having been forced to learn it or die. He depends soley on his mind and body and nothing else. A Great Khan on the other hand is tough, but not AS tough. To make up for it, he uses chems. While he is quite dangerous with said chems, he misses out on an opportunity to better his own mind and body by relying on those chems. In the end, both are dangerous, but each in his own unique way. Same with The Courier vs. TLW or the Chosen One.

I just think it's equally impressive to manage great feats without all the tech.

True, that's very true, I've overlooked the true colors of the Courier, they are just a regular person, without any special upbringing or history, and he made something of himself, did a lot of things that needed to be done because they needed to be done, he's a doer, I like that.

The Vault Dweller was born in a Vault ( duh ) that was the only special thing. He saved the world as a normal man. The Chosen One was a tribal, whom was a tad naive to the world. He was also the Vault Dweller's descendant, those were the only things unique. He destroyed the largest threat the wasteland has ever seen. The Courier quelled a local, fruitless, and stupid quarrel between two powers. In my opinion he pales in comparison to The Vault Dweller and The Chosen One.

Perhaps in achievements, yes, but we're discussing both their power and achievements.

The Courier falls far behind all the others when it comes to achievements. Why? Because the Courier may very well be the first neutral-karma hero we've seen. The Courier likes revenge, he likes profit and his actions are mostly political. It's literally impossible for the Courier to finish his adventure in the Mojave and not have blood on his hands: you either gain bad karma for killing Mr. House or for killing the Brotherhood of Steel. Again, I dunno about FO1 and 2, but this may be a first in the sense that the MAIN QUEST ITSELF forces you to gain bad karma.
The things done by the Vault Dweller, the Chosen One and the Vault Dweller are almost undeniably good. All three of them took out a force that was uncompromisingly aggressive against everyone else. The Courier? He's either helping the Legion, the NCR, House or he's killing off all three. No matter what he does, someone is gonna disapprove of his actions. Many people don't like the NCR taxes or want their bureocratic [censored] in the Mojave, Mr. House isn't really loved by the people of Vegas, Caesar's Legion would enslave and kill many, and there are just SOOOO many things that could go wrong with an Independent Vegas.
So yeah, if we ask who achieved the most, the Courier should be at the bottom of the list. His accomplishments don't really benefit humanity as a whole and it's impossible to please everyone in Vegas. The only thing that would make his actions truly remarkable is if Mr. House really did go on to colonize other planets.


What I was referring to though is that some people say "the LW/Chosen One would wipe the floor with the others because of his power armor and tech," arguing that because the lore of power armor is so strong, the others wouldn't stand a chance. I'm arguing that this could work both for and against the Courier because he's the ONLY protagonist who doesn't utilize Power Armor and STILL manages to survive the Sierra Madre, the Big Empty, the Second Battle of Hoover Dam and likely destroyed a BoS chapter all by himself. The Courier is shown to be incredibly cunning and tough, not because of his equipment or his weaponry, but rather that's just who he is.

turbo turbo turbo. courier wins.

At the end there, how do we know the Courier didn't utilize Power Armor? Does any canon source confirm that the Vault Dweller, Chosen One, and LW did?

I think people are simply drawing conclusions based on the setting and implications made by the games themselves as to what actually happens with the characters. The Vault Dweller memoirs say he got "tech" from the BoS, the Chosen One likely got a suit from the Enclave, it's incredibly unlikely the Lone Wanderer doesn't use power armor, whereas the Courier? Three out of the four major factions want the BoS dead, power armor is incredibly hard to come by and the game heavily insists that players use Light Armor.
But you're right, we don't know. I do agree that going off of the game's implications is the best way to figure out what the character was like, but if you don't go off that, that's why I was arguing for the Courier. All tech and gear aside, the Courier's resumé becomes one of the more impressive ones, because what the Courier survived is based on his cunning and toughness alone. Not to say that the others weren't tough or weren't cunning, but surviving the Sierra Madre for example, we know for sure that that was quite a feat. The Lone Wanderer surviving the attack on Project Purity, on the other hand, we don't know how much combat he actually did and how much Liberty Prime/the Brotherhood did. The thing that makes the Courier, without a doubt, a BAMF, is that some of the adventures he's been on force him and him alone to be powerful. He has to survive the Sierra Madre alone, he has to survive the Big Empty alone and he has to traverse the Divide alone. The Lone Wanderer as an example on the other hand, was helped at Project Purity, had help in Mothership Zeta and we don't know how exactly he advance through Adams AFB, considering a high Science character can also advance fairly quickly without doing much combat. The Courier is the only one that we know, without a doubt, was forced to overcome some incredible obstacles on his own.

I did the same, for the same reasons. Without the Vault Dweller, the greatest badass in Fallout (The Chosen One) would never have come around. Lone Wanderer saved an entire region from being infected with FEV, shattered the Enclave and began the environmental restoration of the entire Tidal Basin and beyond.

In comparison, the Courier is fighting a war against slavers. Certainly important for Vegas, but not much else.

The courier is the only one who does not need armor because he can snipe things from a mile away with his AMR. The Lone Wanderer has the shortest range of the heroes so he would most likely lose in a stand up fight.... doesn't do any good to have a MIRV if you can not get in range to launch it. As for significance it would be:

1. Vault Dweller
2. Chosen One
3. Courier
4. The Warrior (still working on finishing tactics... so not sure what he does yet)
5. The Lone Wanderer


In the vanilla game all the Lone Wanderer does is flip a switch on the purifier which is, imo, the most pathetic conclusion to any of the Fallout games. Putting FEV into the purifier wouldn't do jack unless everyone is drinking water from it, and the purifier itself would do jack because there should not be any radioactive contaminants in the ground water after 200 years (plus it is not that hard to filter water... swampland, aka the basin, would have filtered out the majority of crap before it entered the basin anyway. Seriously... FO 3 was complete nonsense.

Off-topic question:Who here is acutally a nuclear scientist who can judge how long raidiation should last for?

It is not a question of how long the radiation will be emitted by the particles, but how long it takes for them to be washed out to sea/swampland where the threat will be neutralized for the most part. There was a nuclear weapon manufacturing site along the Columbia River here, on the border between Washington and Oregon, that poorly disposed of radioactive waste in large underground vats. The vats leaked and most of the elements washed out to the Pacific Ocean pretty quickly, although there are still some 'plumes' still filtering through the soil toward the river... after 200 years there will probably be negligible levels of contaminants left in the soil or river.

EDIT: and that is from highly concentrated collection of waste... not a widespread dusting of materials from an explosion.

It all depends on how you build each character now doesn't it? All of the Fallout protagonists are flexible in that regard, and we shouldn't assume anything about their combat prowess or their equipment.

In terms of achievements and significance I'd rank them like this:

1. Vault Dweller
2. Chosen One
3. Courier
4. Lone Wanderer
5. Warrior

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Wrecked_Highwayman
I went with the LW because he is the chosen one's grandson and killed every thing in fallout for crying out loud and did it with ease

"The Lone Wanderer (Champion of D.C. and master of SPECIAL, Skills and many Perks)"
Well this shows a bit of a bias...

I'm betting the OP is one of the people who have only played Fallout 3 and just started NV.

Is it wrong though?