Protagonists? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:13 pm

What do you think happened to the protagonists of the Elder Scrolls games? (Arena's, Daggerfall's, Morrowind's and Oblivion's) (Or even Redguard and Battlespire)

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:25 pm

Eh...they exist???

The Nerevarine went to Akavir. I don't know about the others. The CoC is Sheog now, sans the et'Ada-ness.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:30 am

What do you think happened to the protagonists of the Elder Scrolls games? (Arena's, Daggerfall's, Morrowind's and Oblivion's) (Or even Redguard and Battlespire)

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/viveccyrus.shtml

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:03 am

What do you think happened to the protagonists of the Elder Scrolls games? (Arena's, Daggerfall's, Morrowind's and Oblivion's) (Or even Redguard and Battlespire)

I'm pretty sure Daggerfall's protaganist is dead. There are detailed accounts of what happened to Cyrus, Redgaurd's protaganist. Supposadly the Nerevarine is in Akavir, and the CoC is Sheo. I'm not quite sure what happened to Battlespire's protaganist, except that he had some contact to Davith Fyr at some point, and their are rumours of what happened to the Eternal Champion, but I'm not sure to believe them.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:36 am

Is it canon that the CoC is sheo? Yeah you COULD be sheo but then you caould also be the head of every guild. You could even play the game without becoming the CoC but still be sheogorath.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:24 pm

The Nerevarine rumor is a rumor I hope doesn't come to pass.

If it is true, then what a big middle finger up to Azura's beautiful outro vision in MW. :banghead:

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:21 pm

The Nerevarine rumor is a rumor I hope doesn't come to pass.

If it is ture, then it's a big middle finger up to Azura's beautiful outro vision in MW. :banghead:

... unless he went to try and save Morrowind from something like an Akaviri invasion, in which case he is still protecting the people of Vvardenfell, even as they rip themselves to shreds.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:39 pm

Is it canon that the CoC is sheo? Yeah you COULD be sheo but then you caould also be the head of every guild. You could even play the game without becoming the CoC but still be sheogorath.

...Considering it's a main quest in an expansion...I'd say that it's legit.

That's like dismissing Helseth as Morrowind king because it was in an expansion, especially considering that it's mentioned in other places.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:53 am

...Considering it's a main quest in an expansion...I'd say that it's legit.

That's like dismissing Helseth as Morrowind king because it was in an expansion, especially considering that it's mentioned in other places.

No, it's like saying that it wasn't the Nerevarine who defeated Almalexia because it was in an expansion. Helseth is not a protagonist, and always has the same role. He can not choose between being the king, a Telvanni councillor, or the head of the Imperial Legion.

Though my example isn't really the same thing either, as Almalexia tells you out right that you are the Nerevarine, even if you haven't finished Morrowind's MQ yet. The person who challenged Hircine during his Hunt would be a better example. Whether he or she was the Nerevarine or not is not canon.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:58 am

Oh yeah: I forgot that he was king beforehand...

God, it's been a while since I played Tribunal...

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:24 pm

Is it canon that the CoC is sheo? Yeah you COULD be sheo but then you caould also be the head of every guild. You could even play the game without becoming the CoC but still be sheogorath.

I think that when it comes to any TES game anything that can happen is assumed to have happened.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:29 am

I wish they'd give us a "where are they now" ending sequence like at the end of some movies, telling us what they went on to do.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:05 pm

I wish they'd give us a "where are they now" ending sequence like at the end of some movies, telling us what they went on to do.

How? It's my character. I say what happens to him, not some jerk at Bethesda. The entire point of not saying anything about the protagonists is because each person played differently. That's why everything is so obscure, and nobody seems to have any real descriptions of the heroes--not their class, affiliations, ever their gender is unknown.

It's the same reasoning behind the Warp in the West. DF had multiple endings, so instead of saying only one was the "correct" choice and only that ending happened, they made ALL the endings happen, simultaneously. That way nobody who played the game played it "wrong".

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:44 am

How? It's my character. I say what happens to him, not some jerk at Bethesda. The entire point of not saying anything about the protagonists is because each person played differently. That's why everything is so obscure, and nobody seems to have any real descriptions of the heroes--not their class, affiliations, ever their gender is unknown.

It's the same reasoning behind the Warp in the West. DF had multiple endings, so instead of saying only one was the "correct" choice and only that ending happened, they made ALL the endings happen, simultaneously. That way nobody who played the game played it "wrong".

Exactly.

The "Nerevarine going to Akavir" rumor is just that: a rumor. Rumors are called rumors for a reason: it may or may not be true. Whether the rumor IS true or not is ultimately up to you the player.

The hero of Battlespire is NOT Divayth Fyr, nor is he/she confirmed to have had any contact with Fyr. The fact that alot of the artifacts in Fyr's home were originally in Battlespire does NOT lend credence to him being the Hero or the Hero having met up with the wizard; Daedric Artifacts are known to change owners at will, so saying "Fyr has the Savior's Hide! He must be the Hero of Battlespire!" isn't really a good theory.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:42 am

The hero of Battlespire is NOT Divayth Fyr, nor is he/she confirmed to have had any contact with Fyr. The fact that alot of the artifacts in Fyr's home were originally in Battlespire does NOT lend credence to him being the Hero or the Hero having met up with the wizard; Daedric Artifacts are known to change owners at will, so saying "Fyr has the Savior's Hide! He must be the Hero of Battlespire!" isn't really a good theory.

Yea, and actually the fact that it could have been a girl is all the evidence you need to say that it wasn't Fyr...

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:12 pm

If it is true, then what a big middle finger up to Azura's beautiful outro vision in MW. :banghead:

How do you know she didn't send him there? The snake-men seem to have some fascination with her as it is.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:29 pm

The Nerevarine rumor is a rumor I hope doesn't come to pass.

If it is true, then what a big middle finger up to Azura's beautiful outro vision in MW. :banghead:

Why? The Nerevarine accomplished what she needed it to, sure, it was a tool that she might have kept on using for a while but it had served its main purpose... :nothanks:

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:27 am

Exactly.

The "Nerevarine going to Akavir" rumor is just that: a rumor. Rumors are called rumors for a reason: it may or may not be true. Whether the rumor IS true or not is ultimately up to you the player.

The hero of Battlespire is NOT Divayth Fyr, nor is he/she confirmed to have had any contact with Fyr. The fact that alot of the artifacts in Fyr's home were originally in Battlespire does NOT lend credence to him being the Hero or the Hero having met up with the wizard; Daedric Artifacts are known to change owners at will, so saying "Fyr has the Savior's Hide! He must be the Hero of Battlespire!" isn't really a good theory.

Dude...is that seriously the ONLY reason that people think he is the Battlespire protagonist?

If so...what the hell???

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:56 pm

Dude...is that seriously the ONLY reason that people think he is the Battlespire protagonist?

If so...what the hell???

Well, he also has connections to the Crescent Blade (which was used by Dagon's guys in Battlespire). Besides that there is the book Fyr has http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/talmarogkers.shtml which deals directly with the Battlespire. He also has the Scourge, which I believe had a role in Battlespire... :read:

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:33 pm

I'm suer the Crescent wasn't available in Daggerfall, but was the Scourge or the Savior's Hide?

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:11 pm

I'm suer the Crescent wasn't available in Daggerfall, but was the Scourge or the Savior's Hide?

Yea, the player wears the Savior's Hide and had to deliver Scourge to a Daedroth... :jammasterjay:

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:43 am

Ah. Well I don't know if that's valid enough to support that. But I'm an open minded guy.

It's better supported than the Fyr-is-Seht theory, in my opinion.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:24 am

Ah. Well I don't know if that's valid enough to support that. But I'm an open minded guy.

It's better supported than the Fyr-is-Seht theory, in my opinion.

I still says it's BS that Fyr was the Hero, I'm just pointing out that there's more there than just the Savior's Hide.

I think I remember something about that second one a long time ago, I don't remember the reasoning though...

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:28 pm

Same here. I DO remember that it was pretty poor to a greater extent; something involving the letters they sent to each other, the way they act, yada yada yada.

Concerning whether I believe it or not, in the immortal words of Pootie Tang, I've got to say the nay-no, my brother. Wadatah.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:46 pm

Same here. I DO remember that it was pretty poor to a greater extent; something involving the letters they sent to each other, the way they act, yada yada yada.

Ah, I believe http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=818583&hl is what you were referring to. Of course, there are theories about Fyr being everybody; including http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=543416&hl and http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=576105&hl (which is actually the one I was thinking of)... :violin: