I have been reading up on the Psijic order on the Imperial Library and I want to know if it's been mentioned in Oblivion or Morrowind. Also, do you meet anyone or find any book that pertains to the Order of Psijic.

http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b002_artaeum.shtml

http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b009_oldways.shtml

http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b040_mysticism.shtml

There you go.

So the Psijics could of possibility help drive out the imperial garrison on Akavari hmm. I wonder why they would work with the snake people of Akavari. But then again it says that it's possible so it's not 100% sure about that.

IIRC, I believe it was mentioned in Oblivion (about the Altmer), but I may be wrong.

I suggest you search it on the IC and look for more information.

Source please? I've seen nothing even remotely relating psijics to Akavir.

Not to mention Summerset is to the west of Tamriel (abet, a really short distance), while Akavir is to the east (and a long distance at that)

I have a question, do you have to be part of the Order in order to be a Psijic? Or is a Psijic just a dude who follows the Old Ways and studies Mysticism extensively? I mean, do you have to be in the Order to be a Psijic? Seems to me that it'd be like saying "You're not a mage because you're not in the Mages Guild." What do you guys think? Oh, and like, if a Psijic was once in the order but got "excommunicated" for whatever reason, is he still considered a Psijic even though he was ostracized or banned or whatever?

Yes, you need to be a Psijic to be part of the order, or you need to be a Psijic-in-training. The Psijic expulsion of Mannimarco and Galerion are the only instances of what you're thinking of, I can think of. You are no longer a Psijic if you betray the tenants of that order.

Ah, so I'm a Psijic as long as I'm in the Order. So Psijic is a title more than a way of life. I can do the exact same things as a Psijic and accomplish the exact same things and follow the old ways and all that jazz, but if I'm not in the Psijic Order, then I'm just an ordinary guy who's piddling with Mysticism and worshiping my ancestors. It's being in the Order that gives you the title of "Psijic".

Oh, and like, if Ashlanders worship their ancestors and Psijics also worship their ancestors, what the heck is the difference? Or are they both doing the exact same thing?

Its being in the Order that gives you the necessary resources to discover the Old Ways for yourself, and yes, to be a Psijic, you must be in the order. I thought I said that... Nobody quite knows what these "Old Ways" are, by the way, but the Psijic. Psijics don't worship ancestors so much as preserve their ancestry with Divine. Ashlander ancestor worship is bogus in the eyes of the Altmer, because the Ashlanders are heathen Dunmer. Their ancestors damned, tempted by Daedra.

What do you mean by "preserve their ancestry with Divine"?

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml#4:
So what is the Psijic Order?
A monastic order of the Altmer, impressive with age, and obsessed with a kind of mythic genealogy, made famous by their monomythism. Theirs was mostly the study of reverse-ancestry as a means to combat spiritual and material degradation. Or at least it was, I should say, as I do not know what they do now and do not much care. They were wrong-headed nearly from the start.
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Some of the Order's precepts and ideas do (or did) flourish in the beginnings of the Alessian Order, the Temple of the One in Cyrodiil, most Maruhkati sects (including the Selectives, though they would deny it), Ancestral-Mothism, and, most famous of all, the Mages Guild.

I'm sorry, the order is concerned with "reverse-ancestry", not preserving it. Preservation of ancestry is the provence of the Altmer. Their ancestry with the Devine is a delusion, however. That's what Vivec/Vehk meant by "they were wrong-headed nearly from the start". Note the influence the Psijic have had on Cyrodiil, its practically their sandbox.


By the way, this article has all the background we have. http://www.imperial-library.info/gttpo/index.shtml
Sly ones, those greycloaks, you never know what shubbery they might leap from. If one does waylay you in your travels, its customary to squeeze your neck, poke your eyes with your free hand, and dance in a wide arc around the assailant. It should melt, forthwith.

Uhm, what is "reverse-ancestry"? Those texts on the Imperial Library are confusing to read. That's why I come on here to ask people to put it simpler.

Erasing Greatuncle Filbert's name on your family tree and filling in your own. Repeat for everyone else, until you reach a time when identity was lucid and free-flowing through one morbidly obese soul, when potential was unrestrained. Their belief, not mine.

Well that sounds like what the Dwarves wanted to achieve with their numidium BS.
Is there any point to putting your name in the family tree like that? I mean, what would anybody get out of having their name earlier in time? I don't see how it has anything enticing to offer. Maybe I'm being too literal? I don't get the "combat material & spiritual degradation" bit either. Are they trying to become immortal or something?
So that's one of the main points of being a Psijic is, is to erase your Great (1000x) Grandfather's name in time and fill it with your own? That's what Psijics want to do? Is that why the study Mysticism so meticulously?

Are you serious!? They embroider large, family trees on special order, and they want to keep their Old Ways (code for knitting technique) secret, hence the very mysterious island... What's not enticing about that?

Maybe someone would like to break it down for you. I thought I did, but I guess I'm insufficient. Its a different means and end as the Dwemer, though. They uncreated themselves, the Psijic acknowledges his ancestor, but attempts to reconverge at the the point in time his spirit was fractured into all his ancestors. Maybe I'm bsing you right now, so just wait for Proweler's view, if he cares to share it.

Well it's just that you write like those authors do in the Obscure texts and I can't understand anything you're saying. Your first sentence sounds like you're saying the Psijics like to sew designs on trees.
So I still don't see what's enticing about trying to "go back in time". I mean, you saw how awful it was for Marty McFly in Back to the Future.
Proweler, wo bist du?

You could always swing by the Imperial Library and ask. Lady Nerevar is lurking here, she could probably explain things for you, from the begining, better than I could.

You can't post anything on the Imperial Library, though. I guess I can PM Lady Nerevar. Proweler never answers my PMs any ways.

the imperial library has its own forum, http://www.imperial-library.info/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl. its a pretty good place to get answers, especially if your question is more weird/metaphysical than the typical "are nords like vikings." its already tomorrow over here so i gota head to sleep, but on a quick note, being part of the psijic order entails much more than just being in an organization. the order is essentially the way of life, i dont think you can practice it without being in the order (you can try, but you would be missing several key components). i'll be back in this thread in about 10 hours

The only people to be a psjjj without following the way of life were the two most [censored] Chimmer of all time, (They bother were alive at the start of Moorowind, and had been alive for thousands of years.) Sotha Sil and Diviath Fyr were both Psijic.

And both left it.

Wow, I never knew the imperial library had its own forum. I should go there more. Thanks. I'll post my thread there. But I'm getting tired too.

What is the difference between that forum and this one?

Beats me. But I can't understand half the things people say on this forum. It's as if people write their answers trying to sound like the Obscure text guys on the imperial library. I just want somebody to talk normally when I ask a question and not all "metaphysically", so to speak. Know what I mean?