PSJJJJ . .

Post » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:46 pm

The Elder Scrolls Series has easily one of the most confusing backstories I've ever attempted to understand, so, I've got CHIM, I've got Mehrunes (I think), I've got the creation, now what is this PSJJJJ thing? It has something to with The Psijic Order, according to someone.

The CHIM topic filled fast, so I really didn't have a chance to offer any thanks before it was locked, thanks for helping me understand another thing in this vastly confusing universe.
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:00 am

"It is believed that PSJJJJ might be the Aldmeris or Old Ehlnofex name for Padhome's aforementioned influence on Anu"
-which is to say, change. The Psijics hold the force of change it the highest esteem.
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Post » Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:00 pm

"It is believed that PSJJJJ might be the Aldmeris or Old Ehlnofex name for Padhome's aforementioned influence on Anu"
-which is to say, change. The Psijics hold the force of change it the highest esteem.



So they're not very much different from daedra, ideologically, in that regard...
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:14 am

Not really, Daedra serve their spheres, the Psijics simply hold change as the most sacred of the eleven forces because "it is the force without change or origin." It's a matter of motive.

Daedra do their thing because they have to, really, Psijics do it out of belief and custom.
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:54 am

From http://til.gamingsource.net/obscure_text/chaos.shtml:
    "...appropriately, Padomay is just as ineffable an entity as Anu. This is how the Psijiic Order treats him, at least. His original (Aldmeris? Ehlnofex?) name is PSJJJJ, which is and was meant to be unpronounceable. The Order was founded and organized to divine Padomay's eternal and ever-changing mystery. "Sithis" is a corruption of "Psijii" which, in turn, was a derivation of the high concept PSJJJJ. Sithis was born when a nihilist sect of the already doom-ridden Chimeri merged (under Mephala's tutelage) Daedric elements with the Inexpressible Action that was Padomay. In essence they began to revere Padomay's Chaos nature (as opposed to that of Anu, who is Order), and over the years degenerated into a thuggish mystery-cult which wanted to "murder the world." The Dark Brotherhood was born in these times-- which, in Morrowind, is known as the Morag Tong. Some of the higher-level Morag Tong maintain that they predate the Dark Brotherhood (more evidence of this later). That, in fact, they are an organization dev ted to playing out the eternal interplay of Nir. Assassination, they say, is the purest celebration of joy or living. Whatever the case, the Padomay of Morrowind (and isolated Dark Brotherhood sects) is not the Padomay of Artaeum...."
See also http://til.gamingsource.net/gttpo/
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:43 am

Interesting, B. Who wrote "Source of Chaos"?
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Post » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:46 pm

http://til.gamingsource.net/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml#4
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:14 am

In the Guide to the Psihic Order they quote somone (Vivec, I think), saying something about a paradox when an unmoveable object meets an unstoppable force (or maybe visa versa makes more sense). The unstoppable force is Padomay, right? Padomay must keep moving, because if he stoped, moving, there would be some energy left over, so void would no longer be void. Now, I think the unstoppable object is Anu. But, Anu must never use up any energy, correct? Otherwise, there would be a slight lack of energy, and potential would cease to be potential. Now, if some force hits and object, the object would require energy to stay still. If it didn't want to use energy, it would just let the force move it, right? So I don't see the paradox here. Am I reading something wrong here?
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:26 am

Interesting, B. Who wrote "Source of Chaos"?


That is not sure, as far as I can see and knows for the moment.
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:14 am

That is not sure, as far as I can see and knows for the moment.


Talks mostly about the Dark Brotherhood. Posted on The Official Forums by Michael Kirkbride.

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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:12 am

And that means?

That I have completly missunderstood this subject?
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:36 am

And that means?

That I have completly missunderstood this subject?


No, I think it just means that MK wrote that passage.
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Post » Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:58 pm

Interesting, B. Who wrote "Source of Chaos"?

I really don't remember. It was posted a long, long time ago.
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Post » Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:11 pm

B)-->
QUOTE(B @ Aug 15 2007, 10:23 AM) http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=10758703
<!--quotec-->I really don't remember. It was posted a long, long time ago.[/quote]
then why does it state on TIL that MK wrote it? Another case of Sinder going nuts?
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:51 am

Then why does it state on TIL that MK wrote it? Another case of Sinder going nuts?

Well, there you go!

I wanted to say that MK wrote it, but I'm getting so old I forgot. ;) Good thing we write things down.
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:32 am

Nohept dir'Kamal found it among the papers of Jager Tharn.

http://til.gamingsource.net/obscure_text/forum.shtml, Second last reply.
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:25 am

So they're not very much different from daedra, ideologically, in that regard...


They're more like the Hist. Actually, almost identical to the Hist in belief.
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:28 pm

They're more like the Hist. Actually, almost identical to the Hist in belief.

Am I missing something? For I've never seen a Hist belief system.
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:48 am

Sithis is thus the Original Creator, an entity who intrinsically causes change without design. Even the hist acknowledge this being.


-The Monomyth
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:04 am

D'oh. That's interesting though, nice find. Although it simply notes they "acknowledge" Sithis/Padomay. Doesn't really suggest worship.
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Post » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:07 pm

PSJJJJ is meant to be unpronounceable, symbolizing that any attempt to categorize Change Itself would, by virtue of its adherence to an UNchanging word, fail to adequately describe what it attempts to describe. PSJJJJ is not a true word in the scrict sense...it is an attempt to understand something that cannot possibly be understood, state of mind one can achieve but for a moment before what one is attempting to understand changes yet again.

But there was once a mystery cult that added Daedric principles falling within the Sphere of Mephala in an attempt to provide them with something that could be consistently worshipped in some form of structured manner. ending up with "Sithis", an odd conceptual mixture of PSJJJJ and Mephala. These people became known as the Dark Brotherhood. The blessings and Wrath of Sithis is, more than likely, a manifestation of the Webspinner's daedric might in the guise of "Sithis".

Why would Mephala do this? Who knows, it is the Webspinner after all.


Yours in the Scrolls,

___The Word Merchant of Julianos
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:32 am

"It is believed that PSJJJJ might be the Aldmeris or Old Ehlnofex name for Padhome's aforementioned influence on Anu"
-which is to say, change. The Psijics hold the force of change it the highest esteem.


Go to primary sources.

It is interesting to note that their original views were very unorthodox for Altmer, and thus their exile from Alinor. These views included the suggestion that Anu's son, the Time Dragon, was formed in reaction to Padhome's influence. In effect, Anu had finally done something. This inconceivable effect gave rise to an equally inconceivable cause, and so PSJJJJ was named and the Order eventually took his name.

PSJJJJ as described here isn't change. PSJJJJ is the way the Psijics explain the first cause (or the interaction that resulted in the birth of Time).
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:32 am

True, I did simplifiy it for the sake of clarity.
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:03 am

As much as I dislike thread necromancy, I simply can't bear the lack of a cohesive definition among the various loremasters in this thread.

From what I've heard, PSJJJJ, if it were to be simplified to one word, would most accurately be said to mean "creation." I know that "creation" isn't entirely accurate, it's just a shortcut. The full explanation of PSJJJJ (at least judging from my perspective) describes the first inexplicable interaction between stasis and change (made to be unpronounceable both because it was paradoxical and because the interaction could just as easily have never happened). The two forces combine to form Captain Planet the Aurbis.

Is this right?
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Post » Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:35 am

Not really, Daedra serve their spheres, the Psijics simply hold change as the most sacred of the eleven forces because "it is the force without change or origin." It's a matter of motive.

Daedra do their thing because they have to, really, Psijics do it out of belief and custom.


So, they still have to, really. :P
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