Your ignoring the hackers are they innocent in this, or is Sony the only big bad wolf in the sheep pen.

They're irrelevant. Literally, they don't matter. Obviously, what they did was illegal, and if there's sufficient information to locate and prosecute that should happen - but they don't matter. The fault is Sony's, and Sony's alone, for not doing proper testing on their network. There are laws about these things, you know? It's not all fun and games, especially once you're dealing with real information, and it's highly likely Sony will be fined heavily for this - as they should be.

Uhh No they have a secure network, but it wasn't as "Secured" as it should have been. The blame needs to be on the Hackers that did this, but Sony shouldn't be forgotten. Right now that's the biggest thing that disgusts me is people automatically blame the company for being robbed instead of the robber. Seeing some stupid posts saying it is Sony's own fault and serves them right when really the hackers are to blame for this. Sony F'd up and that is indeed correct however it does not make it right what happened to them or their customers.

There are enough people with enough motivations that any major security hole will, given time, be exploited. You put something on the internet, you're letting the world try and break it. Now, you can sit there and not bother to properly check your network, and then [censored] when it's broken, or you can do it properly. It is Sony's fault. Because they did it wrong. This is not somebody being mugged in the street, this is not a bank robbery, or a break in, this is somebody leaving their front door unlocked. Yes, they shouldn't have been burgled. No, your insurance is not going to pay out.

We do not live in a perfect world - that vulnerabilities will be abused is a given, and complaining when that happens is nowhere near as useful as actually looking to see if you have any vulnerabilities.

Stop defending Sony - they are not an innocent bystander here. By not following proper procedures they have put your data and finances at risk. They don't get to say "Well, if we hadn't been hacked...", because it *will* happen, and they should have known that.

Agree both Sony and the Hackers are to blame. Sony for being negligent, The Hackers for breaking in to Sony. Even if a bank door is unlocked at night becuase of a negligent guard, the person who robs the bank is still at fault even if the guard forgot to lock the door and it's no different with the hackers.

Kaz Hirai is holding a press conference today, in Tokyo, to address the state of the PSN.

A better way to put it. Sorry PhYoshi, your statements sound too much like short skirt comments to me.

Check out this website: http://anonops.blogspot.com/

Everything they've ever done, including the attack on Sony earlier in the month, is publicized on that website. It's easy to claim to affiliated with Anon because they're just that, Anonymous. But the only 'official' attacks would start with a message right there on that blog.

Yeah, that's a fairly good anology. Leave the bank vault open and make it clearly visible as so from the outside. You don't get to excuse yourself when you're robbed!
If it was a bank vault full of chocolate bars, maybe, but the moment you handle money you have certain responsibilities, and if you don't live up to those it is *your fault*.

I'm certainly not saying that the hackers are blameless, I'm saying they're completely incidental to the real issue, and that because it was a third party in no way lessens the blame that should be put on sony.

Now you're getting worse after the first sentence again. Everybody knows that there is money in a bank vault, so you don't need to add anything else. We're kind of getting off the topic though. ^_^

That group is still a problem and hopefully what's happened to the PSN will be a wakeup call to Sony to shut down the other hacker sites.

Well, you can leave a bank vault open and you'd probably be okay in the short term, because nobody leaves a bank vault open. That would be ridiculous! Just the same here, nobody wouldn't validate client input, it's just not something you do. That's the first thing they cover in "Internet Security 101", "Everything you get from the client is malicious, so make damn sure it can't do any damage". Not doing so is the security equivalent of leaving your bank vault open.

@Terror of Death; Yeah, all those hacker groups are only still around because sony can't be bothered to shut them down!

You handily ignored his point that Sony is still to blame for their mistakes though. Both parties are in the wrong, but each one is a different kind of wrong. Obviously the hackers are wrong for maliciously intruding into their systems, but Sony is equally wrong in shirking their responsibilities for protecting their user base and it's personal data.

I think using anologies of any kind is pretty stupid here though (at least judging by all the anologies I've read so far), mainly because there are too few points of comparison besides a wide reaching idea of security which is wildly different when applied to digital information versus physical objects.

It just doesn't make sense to me to see people excusing Sony when they made very, very basic mistakes (not to mention very large ones). A giant such as Sony has no excuse for making those sort of mistakes, especially not on the scale that we've seen, and that's where they are to blame. They may not have given away the data or anything, but their lack of competence facilitated the loss of data, which is why myself, and many other people have a bone to pick with them.

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In an earlier post on the same page:
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Personally I think Anon is a bunch of worthless trolls, and I can only hope that their little cult ends with a suicide pact.

"TL;DR: Sony is incompetent" :lmao:

Judging from what i've heard of their "security", that is all that needs to be said :stare:

I hope both Anon and Sony (and other groups like Anon and companies like Sony) end like that, or similarly. Frankly I think both sides svck and they've been leading this crapwar for decades now and I'm quite sick of it.

Those are two different things if you'd read it the site properly, they're going after Sony but not the consumers (so they wouldn't be taking PSN down or stealing info).

Also, while their motivations are pretty questionable, for "worthless trolls" they are pretty good at what they do, probably more technically savvy than 90% of people who are commenting here.

Yeah, pretty much. But I enjoyed the attack on Westbro, they deserved it.

I believe groups like Anonymous and Wiki leaks have good intentions some of the time but don't handle them the way they should be. I don't know how they should be handled, but sometimes the extremes are necessary.

I don't know about Anonymous but I do know that http://www.demotivers.com/uploads/2011_01/26/7458_310_500_Mark-Zuckerberg-Vs-Julian-Assange.jpg. Personally, I don't see anything that requires any sort of "handling" in the first place about Wikileaks because they're just doing what journalists are supposed to be doing and there's nothing wrong with that. The reason why some people do see something wrong with what Wikileaks does is highly intertwined with politics so I won't dabble into that.

I think a lot of the problem is thinking of Anonymous as a traditional group at all - they're not. Any actions taken by "Anonymous" are a small subset of a massive group, so if you take them as a traditional group they're going to look absolutely insane. From attacking Scientology, to annoying people in childrens web MMOs, to attacking paypal for taking a side they disagree with on the whole wikileaks thing, to attacking minecraft.net because they don't feel the game is progressing enough - any actions taken by anonymous are just something that somebody can get enough people worked up about. Whether that's for a good cause or not, there is no group, control structure, or central authority. You can't disband it, because it disbands itself immediately after it completes its current goal - and during that, members continually come and go. There are no cults here, and while nothing is happening, there is not even a group.

This crap with the PSN...crazy stuff.

I guess I'll have to wait for that Fallout New Vegas Patch then...

I don't think PSN being down effects updates on games, when I bought SOCOM 4 it updated.

Yea, you can still connect online just not on the PSN. The internet browser works just fine.

So, when's the PSN coming back up? Do we have an estimate or clue of any kind?