I think its abundantly clear reading many of this threads that the primary comparison people have for issues or ideas for improvements come from Call of Duty. If Bethesda wanted a Call of Duty knock off, they could have just done what EA or THQ did with Medal of Honor or Homefront, but they didn't. They came up with an idea to bring back the older style of shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress(the original) and add in new dimension by allowing a simple button push give you ninja mode. Sure they have been release issue, as every game does. This isn't a reason to start lighting torches and grabbing for pitchforks. SD has already announced that their first map pack is going to be for free, so they are giving everyone some compensation for any issue they experienced. So I say when you criticize this game, first ask yourself "Will this statement show that I have prestiged once too many?"

I agree. It's sad every fps is unspokenly compared to Call of Duty. :banghead:

THIS *thumbs up*

Can we all agree that TF is the better choice to compare this game to?

Comparing it to anything just doesn't seem to work.

I compare it to games that arent buggy as hell on release.... gz bethseda ur rep = owned by a shoddy early release. Like sound not working on one of the maps? Just plain lol. But hey after the bugfest that was fallout new vegas we really should have known what to expect. Your standards have fallen after excellence like oblivion etc... you let your name go out on this? Fail... some1 needs fired.

Also can any1 say the gameplay even without bugs would be good? every map is a choke point, Everything is unbalanced its clear FA testing was done on this, sorry to say... Crap.

The ads made out like this would be a fresh take on fps blending single player and multi player... Sorry to tell you this Quake 3 Arena lets you play the multiplayer game ...offline against bots aswell, your innovation = 11 or so years too late.

Also Quake 3 had better AI.... Your bots are lol.

Serious a Law needs brought in that if you sell clearly unfinished crap like this you get done for fraud.... Selling the box alone would have been as useful to the majority. Rant over....

QFT

I keep hearing about these bugs? Where are these bugs? I've had this game since it came out and I've played it rabidly without a single issue. No bugs, no lag, everything as silky smooth as it was supposed to be. Also I've played Quake 3 sir. The bot AI was pitiful, not even close to the brutality of the enemy squad. Admittedly your team mate AI leaves much to be desired, but to compare it to failure AI like Quake 3 is just going a bit too far. Quake 3's AI was borderline mentally handicapped man. They couldn't track a target in an open room. You could circle strafe them FFS and god forbid if you jumped you might as well have never existed since they apparently couldn't aim upwards unless you were on a stationary ledge.If you never found these gaping holes in the Quake 3 AI then dust off your copy and give it another go. I infinitely prefer Brink's enemy squad AI, even if they are frustrating at times.

I do agree that this game is nothing like CoD and you can always spot the CoD diehards in an online match. They are the ones barely moving with the SMART system. They are the ones trying to find a spot to dig in and camp. They never buff a team mate and they constantly charge in throwing grenades even if they are outnumbered. Of course these self same people get absolutely murdered by decent players so I can see why there is so much frustration amongst that crowd.

I agree. I've seen ALOT of people now (mostly newbs to the game), just CAMPING? REALLY?

Me and my lil bro were playing on Shipyard as Resistance. We had only ONE HUMAN Engineer on our side and all he kept doing the ENTIRE game was camp up in a lil spot with a Barnet and a Turret. THATS IT!

I tried several times to get him to go down and disarm the hackbox, but he wouldn't. And when he finally did... he DIED. Then he never even TRIED to go back to the hackbox, just went back to CAMPING AGAIN?!

Like dude, this is an OBJECTIVE BASED TEAM GAME. This is not a RUN-N-GUN Call of Duty-like GAME!!!

I sent the kid a message, and I honestly THINK that he WAS a kid. He had not 1 year on Xbox Live, and not even 1K in gamerscore. Plus, he didn't reply back to me or my lil bro after we sent our msgs to him. So, I'm guessing he was some lil kid whos USED to play the CRAP that is Call of DUKY and thought it was cool to apply it in this game? IDK...

@ Str0b0 & Hippnotic: You two bring up good points, I wish there was a "Re-Training" application for some players' brains. Unlearn their usual behaviors of Rambo'ing everywhere they go and learn how to work as a team. There is a reason why they don't list K/D ratios at the postgame scoreboard, because k/d doesn't mean anything to a team. You almost have to start a match with friends to get any real objective momentum. I do agree most maps are just choke points, but I think thats what HAD to be done to get the players to work as a unitified team. If you want to pass the choke points, you better have a guy who knows how to speed boost the fat gunners. I think there is a measure of FPS evolution here, but it is hard and complex, two things most people aren't willing to adapt to. So I think you will see very unbalanced matchs, the one side has a team who has a heavy guy sitting in back with a barnet who has no clue where his team is, then the other with the globetrotter'ish team work.

I can, the games I've played that aren't laggy are fun as hell. I have no problem winning at offense or defense, save for shipyard, but thats one out of eight. I see no imbalances in the game.

Also, have you seen the enemy AI? Looks like Chuck Norris got cloned and unleashed on a pack of terrorists. The way Splash Damage makes the game even harder is by making your team bad, something I don't entirely agree with, but bots can get [censored] done.

I noticed that too, until I turn the difficulty to Hard. I think when the setting is at Easy, only your bots are turned on easy. Set it to hard and watch them go to town.

Same boat here, my friend. The only issues I've had connecting to games has been on my own end due to network interference. Aside from those few times, I've had no lag only playing co-op or versus with people. As far as the bots, it's an even trade off sort of. Your team mates are admittedly stupid, but when the clock is ticking I actually notice that allied AI step it up a notch to match the enemy AI. (Since when PSN has been up I've seen this more often) Truth be told, the people I see making constant complaints about the game...are the people who "don't get" the game at all. Yes, it's not perfect. But it's entertaining, fun and is building it's own loyal community. So all you CoD players, do us Brink players a solid. Go play and enjoy CoD as you have, and leave us to play and enjoy Brink as we have. Then we all will be happy.

Considering the franchise's popularity however, hardly illogical.

Okay, but if you look at other very popular titles, such as Dragon Age or Left4Dead, you never see people compare them to Fable or Resident Evil just because they are in the same genre. Brink is a different game with an aim to give players a different feeling gameplay. I believe comparing a game to others in its category is healthy, but not to the extent CoD fans do.

I agree with this. Also, I think it's time for a new shooter to rise up and smite down the crap that is known as Call of Duty. It's time for Brink to shine.

Almost got away from page one.

I nominate this thread for sticky-hood.

I concur.

That is because for a large part of CoD diehards, CoD is the only FPS in existence.

Fortunately, youth is no excuse for ignorance.

I am saddened, however, by how staunchly they perpetrate the old CamperStrike combo of selfishness, whiny-ness, rudeness, and most critically, having undergone extensive surgical procedures so as to be without a shadow of a doubt unable to spell a single word correctly.

My apologies to those few CoD fans who are not, in fact, rude.

Soor, please don't censor yourself just for us. lol Its relieving to know I'm not the only person who has a tendor spot for those folks.

In all fairness, like any community there is a vocal minority that gives the whole playerbase a bad name, but since per any given community, unless its very tight-knit, the percentage of dross members is about the constant no matter the size of the community thereof, when the players are a veritable legion like CoDs it seems like there's millions of these annoying guys ... and there are, there's just many more who are perfectly nice people, but are silent.

I wish they'd speak up, or least murder the annoying minority with rusted spoons.

I have to say: I bought Brink because it reminded me so much about Timesplitters 1/2/3. Man that was some crazy action! You'd be a gingerbread man dual wielding miniguns stealing handbags from a team of lobsters... and the bullets were FLYING!!!
TS had brightly coloured, wacky looking characters, objective based fighting, different skills for different characters... remind you of something. No, it's not CoD/Modern Warfare it's Timesplitters, back with a technological vengeance.
In TS you also had to complete challenges to unlock cool weapons and new characters. Sounds familiar?

If only there were simple, timed capture the flag scenarios and the likes where both teams are on equal footing, then I think i might spend about 50+ days online/gaming as I did with Timesplitters. Teaming up and dishing it out in unison is what it's all about! Now if only I could find a Scandinavian clan, with the same attitude and chilled approach to gaming I actually think I'm in for a long time.
This game gets a lot better with more plays (although the heavies and the big guns get worse and worse and lights with AR's get better and better), and I only hope it gets better with some actual team mates, 'cause those allied bots couldn't hit their own forehead with a flat-handed slap not to mention focus on the primary objective.

I like how you can't determine effectiveness in kills vs deaths. You really have to look at the big picture. Those turrets are awesome, not because they kill everything, but because your opponent can't completely ignore them. And those precious seconds where he/she has to shoot the turret, you can gang-bang 'em with a flash and some shots to the cortex. Next time he's back, you 'll be waiting somewhere else If he DOES ignore the turret just a slight bit of damage could easily tip the scales in your favour and all you, as an engineer, had to do, was press 4 and hold F 'till the thing was set up. That's a lot of effect for very little effort.

Engineers are maybe a bit too good/fun/efficient/necessary but hey, you can't win 'em all.

You steal away a few seconds, you stress people out with some light damage and some knockdowns. You do all those things that you can't measure with a stick, but adds up when the entire team does it. Just remember some of the games you've had where the AI didn't know the [censored] end of a hacking device and then think of those times when just ONE single bot got it and you could hack in unison. The difference it makes to be two and not on your own with decoys running about it tremendous and i am positive that this game can be distilled into something interesting.

I love CoD by the way, but this scratches another itch for me.

if brink should be compared to anything it is "shadow run"

I agree, I think many FPS fans are upset that Brink doesn't have a system that pulls out rulers to measure each players dike to tell who the most mocho. Brink is more like, "Yo my friends and I are badass".

It obviously lends itself heavily from TF, and yes, I saw some resemblances shared by CS.

PSA: everyone has an opinion.



Halo reach as well