Yet another subject I don't have any information on or I can't find. Will Brink be using punk buster? If so I think this could be a serious turn off for me. I have had so many issues playing games that use punk buster and I found that it is no longer worth my time investing in a game that uses the service. (I still don't know why the punk buster doesn't work for me.)

Brink uses VAC from Steam, not pb

Cool.

You serious ? VAC is so bad, it even won't be a difference if you run the game without an ACT.

I think anything is better than punk buster. Until, of course, I find a solution to my problems with it. Thanks for answering my question.

it uses VAC in combination with steamworks yes, and i must say i haven't had any issues with VAC yet, i kind of dislike the ban delay though

Unfortunately PB can cause problems on some systems. Although it is the most effective way to get rid of cheaters. VAC on the other side is just a joke and no protection at all.

Whenever a game uses any anti-cheat, there will be some people to say some other system is better.

The game uses VAC? Punkbuster is better!
The game uses PB? HackShield is better!
The game uses HS? ValveAntiCheat is better!

And whatever system you use, someone will have/had their difficulties with it.

in my opinion is VAC not bad combined with dedicated servers.

no dedicated servers is the problem, that VAC fails in COD MW2.
we will see in COD black ops, if the combination of dedicated servers and VAC will work.

In my expereince, all anti-hack tools are useful for weeding hackers out, or deterring people from trying. But, I've never seen one that can be beat, so what i think really matters is how vigilant the game mods are. I will take a good group of mods over the "best" anti-hack, any day.

People will always find a way round any anti-cheat system, thats how the universe works poeple are asshats...

Baiscly i feel as long as you have admin rights an can say "oh gezz that guys hacking, oh here BAN HAMMER DROPPED" its not a issue so much. if VAC is the only system an you have no say like some COD game that failed so hard then that would be horrible. it should be good an it shouldnt matter to much about PB or VAC.

but personally i like PB better then VAC

Many admins tend to kick or even ban everyone who plays better than themselfes, no matter if they cheat or not. Some players are so good that you might think they cheat and that's why I rather trust on an ACT. Unfortunately VAC seems to be a total failure if you see what happened to MW2 which is overrun by cheaters and nothing happens. And I predict that the same will happen to Black Ops which uses VAC too.

Doesn't Black Ops support private servers, though? Which means there are/can be admins present to remove cheaters/hackers/glitchers?


Anyways, I have experienced similar stuff like Ripuli aswell; admins removing players from the game who are obviously better than themselves. In a game with killcams (like the one from MW2) you can see if people cheat/hack/glitch quite well, I think. If it displays where you are and your enemy is constantly aiming at that spot through a wall, he's most likely using an aimbot or wallhack ...

I have played with people in the past who are really good at hiding the fact that they have a wallhack though. One guy was even in my clan, played in several tournies and never got banned. We kicked him out of the clan after he stopped hiding it in a private match while trying to turn it into a joke, getting headshots with a sniper through boxes over and over, and stuff like that. Point is, even in a situation like a tournament, with everyone looking for cheaters, he was able to hide it.

This is where anti-hack tools are needed, when mods alone cant tell the difference between someone who is good at the game vs someone who is good at hiding that they cheat.

I used to enjoy playing games with PB but, it doesn't seem to work anymore on my computer. I have gone to the PB support and have had little luck in resolving my problem. I can only speculate that the source of the problem is coming from their service or from some other source; especially since my computer does not appear to be the problem.

An anti-cheat program that frequently has false negatives is just as useless as one that cant find hackers. You're back the the question of "so, who's hacking?"