"Pure Immersion" by Sphagne
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Current version 1.52, September 25, 2009


OK, I have returned to Oblivion, after a large gap, while I was real caught in "Real Life" TM.

After I returned back and started developing PI again, I saw that most of advanced features that I wanted to add to it, was really easier to develop if I switched to OBSE, so I decided to trim back it to a feature complete, final, non-OBSE version and release it as is.

This version is more complete than the last version, v1.2, but is not really what I wanted it to be, yet it's greatly recommended for users of previous versions to switch to this version, because of better user interface and some new features.

This is the final non-OBSE version, and I will not develop it further, except for possible bug-fixes, and I will focus on the OBSE version after this.

The next version will be a total revamp of PI, and will be developed from scratch taking full advantage of powerful OBSE functions and new juicy arrays and precise character estimations, and so on?

It will require OBSE, COBL, Elys Uncapper, Elys Universal Silent Voices, and probably more.

The current versions are all about compatibility, and have trimmed features for this goal, but the next version will be all about advanced features and novel gameplay experience, and will be called "Pure Immersion, New Experience" or PINE, if you like.

I'm still thinking about the name and might pick up one of the names mentioned in my old thread "A tribute to Might and Magic games", which were:

Classic Character Development
Distinct Character Evolution
Individual Personality
Diverse Characters
Might and Magic
Diverse Destiny
Branched Path
Individuality
Evolution

A "Pure Immersion" might precede any of those, and I'm open to new suggestions, as well.

I will go into more details in its own WIP thread, so for now, here is the last non-OBSE version:


http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13677


Just updated to v1.52 to fix a stupid mistake in quest script implementation, sorry for the inconvenience, and sorry for the big delay, as I was nearly drowned in real-life problems, but I finally submerged at last and could fix the stupid mistake.

‘Pure Immersion’ is yet another character advancement mod, and changes the way you gain your attributes.

Your attributes are increased or decreased dynamically as your skills advance by usage or spells and when the spell wears down, then the temporary attributes, gained by temporary skill advancements, would be lost.

So each time you advance in a skill, some of your attributes may advance by a fraction, and if they reach the next stage, you would notice a gain in the attributes.

The end result is that there is no need to think about level up sessions, and program your actions to be able to gain the maximum amount of attributes as you gain levels. So, no more power-gaming for those additional speed points, just a pure immersive oblivious bliss.

You play the game, you get immersed in the events, you advance in skills and gain attributes as you do quests and battles, and eventually you reach a point when you need to rest to advance a level, and gain some hit points, and the chance to find better loots on higher level monsters...

Note: From the version 1.0 on, your attributes may be affected by elements other than skills, i.e. some misc stats like total kill count or total places found, or your fame and infamy, or even the total damage dealt to your body, can have an effect on your attributes as well.

I wanted to make it compatible with any custom race and birth sign, ‘Beautiful People’, ‘Mighty Magick’, and all those cosmetic and GUI mods, like BT and DarN, i.e. almost anything out there, and I wanted it to be independent of ‘OBSE’, and I think I have reached my goal, but I had to select features that would not complicate this mod, to reduce the chance of conflicts, so here is the feature list:

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Important: This mod is now ESP/ESM format and has two parts: “PureImmersion.esp” + “piCore.esm”, and you need to enable both these parts.

● Versions 1.5 and before do [not] require OBSE, but the next versions will do.

● Has an in-game menu that you can use to change any setting any time you like, and you can open this menu by casting the new lesser power called: “Pure Immersion”.

● Your health gain system is less dependent on early raise of Endurance, and also two additional health gain add-ons are bundled with it now, one is just like vanilla oblivion, and another is like Kobu’s add-on (but 5*Endurance), and also it works perfectly with Kobu’s health add-on, thanks to ‘ponyman’ for the info.

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● You will gain attributes as you advance in skills, i.e. you advance in blade skill, thus you gain some strength (like ‘0.4’ points) for each blade skill level.

● When you level-up, you would rest and have a choice of three attributes to increase by just ‘1’ points. It's a bonus for those hard to raise attributes, and a help for harder settings.

● It has a very open way of attribute gain system, so any type of it can be implemented later, like those different wheels and the like, i.e. any skill or misc stat can increase any attribute or any combination of them. You can also define the relations manually via in-game menus.

● Race, Class skills, and Specialization [can] have an effect on how fast you would increase any attributes, i.e. Orcs could gain Strength more than Personality, Fighters can gain Endurance more than Mages, and if you have blade skill in your class definition and have hand to hand as a minor skill, your blade could increase your strength more than your hand to hand.

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● There is an option in the in-game menu in which you can choose any time to change a difficulty setting and it would affect how fast you raise your attributes after that moment. In fact you can change any setting on the fly and if would have an effect on your game after that moment.

You can experiment with this difficulty setting and find the best option for your style of play, and usually something between 0.2 and 0.5 would give the best result, or maybe (0.4-0.5) for the first few levels and (0.2-0.3) for the rest.

● Your attributes can be decapped now, i.e. if you want, you can raise your attribute caps up to 200.

● You can switch between these decap modes on the fly via some in-game menus, without losing anything if you decide to revert to the previous attribute capping mode.

● Those in-game menus also let you change the general difficulty setting of attribute gains, and the relations between skills and attributes, and the effect of your character’s race and class on your attribute gains, and control some other features, as well.

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● In the beginning of the game, you have an option to skip tutorial dungeons.

As you skip the tutorial dungeons, you can choose between 3 places to start the game:
1: Just outside of the tutorial dungeons.
2: Imperial City, Market Place.
3: Imperial City, Waterfront.

Also you would be given some loot and gear, appropriate for your character class.

Note: All the scripts are included in a separate download for the interested ones, and you may use them whenever you want. No credit required, and also you can change this mod as you like, but please do not distribute it by the name of “Pure Immersion”. Names like “My Pure Immersion” have no problem.

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● There are some global variables now that control gradual attribute gains, and you can use them to increase or decrease your attributes on the fly, and it would fit in your current attribute capping mode. Try the following command:

Set to

can be one of the following:

a01GainEnd
a01GainStr
a01GainSpd
a01GainAgi
a01GainInt
a01GainWil
a01GainPer
a01GainLck

And the can be a positive or negative number to increase or decrease your selected attribute.

Used them to test those attribute caps, and their dynamic changes via the in-game menus. No problem here!

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● Versions 1.5 (and before) of “Pure Immersion” do not touch skill progression a bit, so some other mod that slows the skill progression, (like OOO), is greatly recommended for better immersion. But the next OBSE based versions will manage skill progression and would replace mods like "Progress" as well.

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New in v1.0:

There is a new character development method called “Advanced Method”, in this mode you define a [style] for each of your attributes to reflect the style of your game-play. Thus your attributes gain better if you act as in the defined style, i.e. you may define the “Thief” mode for your Agility gains, and after that, if you act as a thief you would gain Agility more than when you act as a hunter, more on that later...

In the “Advanced Method”, your misc stats can have an effect on your attribute development, so your total Kill count or the amount of your assaults on people may affect your attributes as well.

Also the total amount of the damage dealt to your body can increase your Endurance, thanks “migthegreat” for the idea.

The global values a01DamC1 and a01DamC2 control the difficulty of gaining Endurance by taking damage, more on that later...

a01Menu is the global menu number used by in-game menus and future add-ons.

New in v1.1:

Added the option for users of realistic fatigue mods, to skip the tutorial dungeon with a lighter gear.

Added a new plug-in to change the development of mercantile skill from quantity-based to quality-based.
This is currently named ‘spMerchant.esp’, but it would change in future versions.

New in v1.5:

Revamped in-game menus, for even easier access for everyone, now menus change depending on your choice of character development method.

Fixed the rare initialization CTD of v1.2 and the skittish menu items of that version if you did not skip tutorial dungeons.

PI now recognizes "Elys Uncapper" and is compatible with it.

You can return to the last tutorial dungeon if you like.

Added "Specialized Character", but it is still partly unfinished, because it is better developed via OBSE, which the next version will be based on.

The "Effective Class" theme of "Specialized Characters" is fully developed and can be used as a character development style.

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Menus:

--- General Settings
--- --- General Difficulty
--- --- Attribute Gain Info
--- --- Misc Rating Info

--- Character Development
--- --- Classic Character
--- --- Advanced Character
--- --- Specialized Character

--- Attribute Manager
--- --- Attr Development
--- --- --- Vanilla Oblivion
--- --- --- Affected Skills
--- --- --- Twisted Ring
--- --- --- Two Rings
--- --- --- Flat Rings
--- --- Luck Development
--- --- --- Manual
--- --- --- Attr Related
--- --- --- Fame Related
--- --- Define Limits
--- --- Manual Design

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--- Attribute Styles

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--- Character Effects
--- --- Select Theme
--- --- --- Effective Class
--- --- --- Effective Character
--- --- --- Adaptive Character
--- --- Race Effect
--- --- Class Skills Effect
--- --- Specialization Effect
--- --- Skill Focus Magnitude

--- Additional Effects

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--- Plug-in Manager

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General Difficulty:
Select the general difficulty of raising an attribute, the number is multiplied by each raise in the attribute: (0.1 --> 0.7)

Attribute Gain Info:
Select whether you want to see the gains in the attribute, and if you want to see each time an attribute is raised by a fraction or only when those fractions are summed to make a whole number.

Misc Rating Info:
If you want to get informed of the state of your misc stats come here:

- Kill Rating: Increased by killing people or creatures.
- Theft Rating: Increased by stealing or pick pocketing items and the illegal horses.
- Spiritual Rating: Increased by trapping souls or reading books or finding NirnRoots.
- Adventure Rating: Increased by finding new places or artifacts or closing Oblivion gates.
- Financial Rating: Increased by buying horses or houses or investing in stores.
- Crime Rating: Increased by assaulting or murdering people or feeding on them.
- Fame: Increased by solving problems and doing quests to help people.
- Infamy: Increased by helping thieves or other infamous people.

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Character Development:
Define how your attributes develop relative to your skills and maybe other stats as well.

Classic Character:
Like vanilla Oblivion, attributes are developed by advancing in skills, but unlike it you can have attributes that are related to more than one skill and vice versa.

Advanced Character:
Each attribute is affected by some skills and misc stats, but some of these elements may affect it more than others. For instance you may want your Endurance to rise mostly by the amount of damage you take and minimally by your armor skills. You can fine tune them to your liking and your style of play.

Specialized Character:
Your character is really specialized, because of its race and class, so some skills might affect the attribute development more than other skills, so:

Orcs might develop their strength sooner than the can develop their personality.
Warriors can develop their strength swifter than mages, and so on...

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Attribute Manager:
Here you can fine-tune your attribute development methods, and/or define their limits.

Attribute Development:
Define the relation between skill advancements and attribute gains. You can select from currently 5 premade themes for the relations between skills and attributes. You can have a better look at these relation themes in "Other Docs" folder.

Vanilla Oblivion:
Just like vanilla Oblivion, i.e. each skill has a governing attribute, so advancing a skill results a complete gain in just "one" attribute.

Affected Skills:
Like vanilla Oblivion, each skill has a governing attribute, but another attribute has a minor effect on it as well, so for instance ‘Blade’ affects 80% Strength, and 20% Agility.

Twisted Ring:
Like vanilla Oblivion, each skill has a governing attribute, but two other attributes have minor effects on it as well, so for instance 'Blade' is 70% affected by Strength, 15% by Speed, and 15% by Agility.

Two Rings:
Like vanilla Oblivion, each skill has a governing attribute, but two other attributes have minor effects on it as well. In this method, physical attributes are in a separate ring from magical attributes, but attributes in each ring affect each other by the following ratios: Body: (70,15,15,0), Mind: (70,15,15).

Flat Rings:
Just like 'Two Rings', but attributes inside each ring affect each other even more, i.e. when you advance in a body skill, you affect all four bodily attributes by the following ratios: (50,20,20,10), and when you advance in a mind skill, you affect all the mind based attributes by the following ratios: (50,25,25). A good option for 'Specialized Character' development methods.

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Luck Development:
Luck is different from other attributes and its development is individually defined here.

Manual:
Nothing has an effect on ‘Luck’, so it can only be increased manually, in level-up sessions.

Attr Related:
Roughly every 14 attribute gains result in a Luck gain.

Fame Related:
Every few fame gains result in a Luck gain.

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Define Limits:
You can define limits for your attributes, there are 6 options now:
1-Capped at 100
2-Capped at 150
3-Capped at 200
4-Capped by class characteristics
5-Capped at 100+race default attributes
6-Capped at 60+2*race default attributes

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Manual Design:
For "Classic Characters" and "Specialized Characters", you can manually define the relations between skills and attributes by hand, so any skill can increase any attribute. Design it just as you like.

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Attribute Styles:
For "Advanced Characters", each attribute is affected by some skills and misc stats, but some of these elements may affect it more than others. For instance you may want your Endurance to rise mostly by the amount of damage you take and minimally by your armor skills. You can fine tune them to your liking and your style of play.

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Character Effects:
For "Specialized Characters", each race or class can have different attribute gain rates.

Select Theme:
Specialized characters are for the ones who want to use only a select few of their skills and ignore the rest, i.e. your major skills are drastically more effective on your attribute development, so don't look at your minor skills as source of attributes, and help those attributes that have no related major skills by other means.

Effective Class:
The least extreme specialization method. It gives you the option to define how much your character's race, class skills and specialization, affect the speed of your attribute development. They can have no effect or half or full effect, but even if you select full effect for all of them, in total; it has less drastic effect than other specialized character themes.

Effective Character:
Your initial character defines the effect of your skills on your attribute development, so if you start the game with Blade skill of 40 and Alchemy skill of 5, then your Blade skill would be 8 times more effective than Alchemy on development of your character attributes.

Adaptive Character:
Just like "Effective Character", but with an important difference. Skill effects on attribute development are defined by your current character state, so if you are currently good at a skill, then it has more effect on your attribute development, so you start focused on your major skills, but you can gradually shift that focus.

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Race Effect:
Defines if your character’s race has any effect on your attribute gain. It is determined by your race’s original attributes, so if your race had originally more strength than intelligence, you would have easier time raising your strength.

Class Skills Effect:
Defines if your character’s class has any effect on your attribute gain. Major skills have more effect on attributes.

Specialization Effect:
Defines if your character’s class specialization has any effect on your attribute gain. Each skill is related to a specialization, so the skills that belong to your specialization would raise your attributes more than the other skills.

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Plug-in Manager:
In the next versions you can manage your PI plug-ins here.

"Advanced Characters":

For these characters, each attribute is affected by a few elements, (skills and misc stat ratings), but each element can affect it by a different amount, thus we can have themes and styles.

Those styles do not affect the rate that your skills and misc stats development, but define the amount of effect each skill and misc stat has on your attribute gains.

So if you want, any increase in Blade may affect your strength more than your Blunt skill.

Thus you can define a theme for your attribute gains and fine-tune it to your style of play, so if you normally use a blade and hardly use a blunt weapon, and do not want to use it half of the time, just to raise your strength, you can fine tune your strength development to be affected more by blade skill and less by blunt skill.

And here-in those styles come handy: You can define a development style for each of your attributes, and for each attribute select a theme that is more like your style of play, and just play as you like and do not touch the skills you don't like. Because your attribute gain are less dependent on those skills.

In this method misc stats can also affect your attribute development, so for instance if you want, you can select a style for you intelligence in which the number of books that you read affect your intelligence more than your alchemy skill.

So if you are usually using a select few of your skills and you want to role-play and do not want to use other skills just to raise your attributes, this method is for you, and you select a style for each of your attributes that is similar to your style of role-playing.

This is the first time that I have used (or seen) this method for attribute development, so it is purely experimental and I would appreciate any feedback.

IMHO, the best combination for a pure immersion and role-play is that you select the styles just like the way you want to play the game and also select your major skills to reflect that choice as well.

This should guarantee that your "Advanced Method" styles would rely mostly on your major skills, thus you would role-play and gain levels and stats in a natural and balanced way, and would not think about your attribute development any more.

In this method your major skills would raise your attributes much more than your minor skills, so you would not be able to bump your attributes up too much without gaining a level, and becoming too powerful in lower levels.

But feel free to experience with your own choices and please inform me if you found interesting combinations.

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Attribute Styles:

Each element has a percentage amount of effect on the attributes and they sum up to 300 percent to simulate 3 skills affecting each attribute in vanilla oblivion.

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Endurance: Taking Damage, Light Armor, Heavy Armor, Armorer

Damage Based: 210, 30, 30, 30

Skill Based: 30, 100, 100, 70

Armor Based: 30, 120, 120, 30

Heavy Armor Based: 30, 60, 180, 30

Light Armor Based: 30, 180, 60, 30

Evenly Distributed: 70, 80, 80, 70

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Strength: Blade, Blunt, Hand2Hand, Block, Kill Rating

Knight: 140, 50, 20, 70, 20

Barbarian: 50, 160, 20, 50, 20

Monk: 20, 20, 180, 60, 20

Terminator: 30, 30, 30, 30, 180

Arms Master: 100, 100, 30, 50, 20

Centurion: 80, 80, 60, 60, 20

Duelist: 100, 30, 30, 40, 100

Skull Smasher: 30, 100, 30, 40, 100

Gladiator: 60, 60, 60, 60, 60

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Speed: Athletics, Acrobatics, Adventure Rating

Athlete: 200, 70, 30

Acrobat: 70, 200, 30

Adventurer: 50, 50, 200

Champion: 100, 100, 100

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Agility: Sneak, Security, Marksman, Theft Rating, Crime Rating

Agent: 100, 100, 40, 40, 20

Hunter: 40, 20, 200, 20, 20

Stalker: 100, 20, 140, 20, 20

Sniper: 20, 20, 160, 20, 80

Thief: 50, 50, 20, 160, 20

Assassin: 50, 40, 50, 20, 140

Criminal: 40, 20, 40, 40, 160

Burglar: 40, 40, 20, 100, 100

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Intelligence: Alchemy, Conjuration, Mysticism, Spiritual Rating

Alchemist: 170, 50, 50, 30

Conjurer: 30, 180, 60, 30

Mystic: 30, 60, 180, 30

Scholar: 40, 40, 40, 180

Necromancer: 80, 140, 50, 30

Evoker: 30, 120, 120, 30

Druid: 80, 50, 140, 30

Sorcerer: 90, 90, 90, 30

Wizard: 70, 80, 80, 70

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Will Power: Alteration, Destruction, Restoration, Infamy

Infamy: 40, 40, 40, 180

Mage: 100, 100, 100, 0

Alterer: 180, 50, 50, 20

Nuker: 50, 180, 50, 20

Healer: 60, 60, 180, 0

Warlock: 100, 120, 40, 40

Shaman: 120, 60, 120, 0

Lich: 40, 120, 100, 40

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Personality: Illusion, Mercantile, Speechcraft, Fame, Financial Rating

Illusionist: 180, 40, 40, 20, 20

Merchant: 30, 160, 40, 30, 40

Speaker: 40, 40, 160, 40, 20

Hero: 40, 40, 40, 140, 40

Investor: 30, 50, 30, 30, 160

Statesman: 40, 40, 100, 60, 60

Nobleman: 30, 30, 80, 100, 60

Skill Based: 90, 80, 90, 20, 20

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The exact formula of the damage needed for the player to take to advance in his endurance rating (as opposed to Endurance) is here:

Set tmp to Player.GetAV Endurance
Set DamageLevel to (a01DamC2 * tmp * tmp + a01DamC1 * (tmp - 20)

Which means "a01DamC1" deals with the linear part of this formula and "a01DamC2" deals with the exponential part, in other words "a01DamC1" has more effect on lower Endurances and "a01DamC2" has more effect on later stages.

DamageLevel is the amount of damage you have to consume to advance in your endurance rating, and each advancement in endurance rating is multiplied by global difficulty ratio (Normally 0.4) and then added to player's Endurance.

"Advanced Characters" have an option to Set the [Style] of their Endurance gains as "Damage Based", which gives a 210% percent bonus to endurance rating, thus their endurance gains is calculated so, (In normal difficulty setting):

Endurance gains = 2.1 * 0.4 * (Endurance rating gains) = 0.84 * (ERGs)

So each ERG adds 0.84 to Endurance.

By default "a01DamC1" is 5.0 and "a01DamC2" is 0.15 which results in DamageLevels like:

En(40) : DamageLevel = 240 + 100 = 340
En(60) : DamageLevel = 540 + 200 = 740
En(80) : DamageLevel = 960 + 300 = 1260

So if your Endurance is 60, you have to consume 740 unit of damage dealt to your health, to gain an "endurance rating".

If in the game you find different values for "a01DamC1" and "a01DamC2" that give better results, please inform me about it. Any Feedback to help me improve this feature is greatly appreciated.

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"Pure Immersion" is now compatible with a running game. As you start the game with PI enabled, it would determine your race and classes depending on the [current] state of your skills and attributes and it may be different from your [original] states.

But it does not matter; you can correct the mistakes in the in-game menu, or leave the determined characteristics as they are because they show the [current] state of your character which shows the style of your play better than the original character.

In any case it would currently only affect the "Character Effects" section and some of the attribute limiting modes.

Note: because I wanted to avoid huge scripts just to determine the class skills of players, PI may require a bit of help from the players to determine them, but it would try its best to do the bulk, and the players may have to add or remove a skill or two, and this happens only once, the first time the players starts the game with PI enabled.

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Update from older versions: "Pure Immersion" is [not] compatible with beta versions, (older than v1.0), and nothing can be done about it, but it does not matter, just remove the older files and start the game without PI, and save the game, and then install the new version and select the options that you like and continue after that. Nothing Lost.

When updating from v1.0 or above you might need to redefine your character development methods, sorry, but it's only once.

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To-do:

The next version will be ported to OBSE and will be rebuilt from scratch, to take full advantage of OBSE's powerful new functions and arrays, and because I can fully detect the characters major skills and other characteristics, there will be no more character tweaking menus.

This version will include ideas from my old thread "A tribute to Might and Magic games" regarding attribute and skill development limits and difficulties for each race and class, so that each race and class stands on its own and have a meaning, so the players should select their race and class carefully as it would affect their entire game, as opposed to vanilla Oblivion, in which different races and classes would only affect the early levels. Also it would give the players new objectives and reasons to join guilds, and would induce more sense of achievement into the character development.

There will be some "Expert Teachers" scattered through Cyrodiil who can teach you, your next level of expertise for each skill, thus when you reach near the limit of your current level of expertise and want to advance to the next level, you have to fine the teacher appropriate for the task and learn it from him/her.

Misc Ratings would be overhauled and be more like normal character skills.

Add meaningful bonuses to the attributes over 100.

There will be a lot of other exciting new features, but I will go into more detail in its own thread.

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Installation:

Copy the ESP and ESM files in your [Oblivion\Data] folder, start the Oblivion Launcher, select "Data Files", activate the checkbox in front of the required ESP and ESM file entries, click OK and launch the Game.

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Uninstall:

To deactivate this mod just uncheck the regarding entries in the "Data Files" section of the Oblivion Launcher.
To permanently uninstall the mod go to you [Oblivion\Data] folder and delete the regarding ESP and ESM files.

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Change log:

Version 0.9 beta, April 17, 2007
Bare bone functional leveling system.
You have to skip the tutorial dungeon, no going through it yet.
You would be given some loot appropriate for your character class.
You can select from 3 places to start the game.

Version 0.92 beta, April 18, 2007
A few menu additions and spelling corrections.
You can now define whether to show attribute gains as you advance in skills, or not.

Version 0.93 beta, April 21, 2007
A few menu additions and spelling corrections.
You can now design any relations between skill advances and attribute gains via some in-game menus, i.e. you can now make your own attribute gain schemes, like those wheels and the like...

Version 0.94 beta, April 30, 2007
Fixed the problem with sewer exit gate, so no getting back in the sewers until later.
Two optional "Health Gain Systems" are bundled with the mod now, and the health system implemented in the mod is something in between the two of them. You are not forced to increase Endurance so early as much.

spHealth5x : Health = 5*Endurance[@Current]
spHealthVanilla : Health = 2*Endurance[@Current] + Endurance[@Start] + 0.1*Sum(Endurance[@LevelUps])
Current system : Health = 3.5*Endurance[@Current] + 0.07*Sum(Endurance[@LevelUps])

Version 0.95 beta, May 1, 2007
Big upgrade here:
Revamped the attribute gain system to make room for attribute decap, and made it a more robust system overall, and in the process addressed the attribute gain problem when wearing some attribute boosting items.
Now you can raise or alter the cap of your attributes whenever you like, in a dynamic way.

Version 1.0 gold, October 27, 2007
Biggest update:
Splitted the mod into ESM+ESP format and reformatted it to be ready for later add-ons.
Revamped the attribute gain system yet again to add the option for misc stats and damage dealt to players to have an effect on their attribute gains.
Added Advanced Method to the Character Development section to let players define themes for their attribute gains.
PI can now be started in the middle of a game, and also you can go through the tutorial dungeon, as well.

Version 1.1, October 28, 2007
Added the option for users of realistic fatigue mods, to skip the tutorial dungeon with a lighter gear.
Added a new plug-in to change the development of Mercantile skill from quantity-based to quality-based.

Version 1.2, November 3, 2007
Revamped Read-me file.
Tweaked in-game menus to be more user-friendly and clear, and changed some options.

Version 1.5, April 14, 2009
Revamped in-game menus, for even easier access for everyone, now menus change depending on your choice of character development method.
PI now recognizes "Elys Uncapper" and is compatible with it.
You can return to the last CG dungeon if you like.
Partially added "Specialized Character", but its "Effective Class" theme is fully developed, and can be used as a character development style.

Version 1.51, April 15, 2009
Fixed a small issue with attribute limits when "Elys Uncapper" present.

Version 1.52, September 25, 2009
Fixed a stupid mistake with quest scripts implementation. Thanks to LazyAltmer.

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Known Issues:

This mod depends on some tutorial events, so it might conflict with any other mod which messes with starting tutorial session, and of course it would conflict with other leveling system mods like Kobu's.

Probably conflicts with the like of Legendary Masteries, but it can replace them as well.

NOTE: IF YOU HAVE BEEN USING ANOTHER CHARACTER LEVEL SYSTEM LIKE "NGCD" THAT REMOVES LEVEL-UP SCREEN, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEM WHEN TRYING TO ADVANCE A LEVEL, BECAUSE "PURE IMMERSION" DOES NOT TOUCH THIS FEATURE AND REQUIRES VANILLA LEVEL-UP SCREEN.

The solution is to reinstall your hood, or otherwise restore that screen, thanks to "Shikishima" for the information.

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Thanks:

All the people in the forum that with their feedback and suggestions helped me make this mod better, to list a few:
ponyman, Faw, Jozef K., Shikishima, Nona, Vaelithion, Shield Watcher, Aldwen, Afrika18, and LazyAltmer.

Migthegreat: "Damage based endurance" and "Timed book reading" ideas. You are brilliant pal.

Sorry if I missed your names.

Bethesda.

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Facts:

Data Files:

piCore.esm
PureImmersion.esp

piHealth5x.esp
piHealthVanilla.esp

Other files:
This document and the ones in the folder "Other Docs".

Original content modified:
The door at the beginning of the last tutorial dungeon, and some GMSTs.

Author: Sphagne (Sphagne@yahoo.com)

Original release date: April 17, 2007
Latest release date: September 25, 2009

This is realy something and adds a lot to the game, but I'll have to wait for the OBSE version you said you'll make.
I have to many mods and I can't install this to give it a try, but hopefuly when the OBSE version is out I'll be able to do clean reinstall and add it to my list.

Until then, keep up the good work


Cheers!




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Thanks, I will.

Updated to Version 1.51 to fix a small issue with attribute limits when “Elys Uncapper” present.

Sorry.

By the way, thanks for the change of the title.

Your system seems very good indeed. I especially like the way "misc" things affect leveling.

The OBSE version you hint at, on the other hand, would be better described as epic. Pull all that off, and you will have one major pile of kudos from me. In the meantime, a considerable heap of kudos for the non-OBSE version.

Thanks, I'm waiting for OBSE team to implement a few of my suggestions before I can take up the job full fledged, but now I'm working on the basics.

By the way, I have not gone into the detail of the *epic* next version, yet.

So it might seem even more epic after I have released its own WIP thread.

Whilst your working on a new version, would it be problematical to implement what's been discussed in these posts?
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=970836&st=124#
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=970836&st=129#
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=879153&st=116#

Thanks

Pure Immersion did not have any problem with this kind of skill boost and was chosen by some of its user because of this characteristic, and I hope to keep this feature in the next version.


Again, I have had no problem report for these items, so its safe to say that PI was compatible with them and hopefully will remain so.
But I will be glad if anyone check those for me, because I have never found them myself.
But PI has no problem for those fixed alchemy aparati that tend to appear in mage towers, and it has been verified that their temporary alchemy boost is a reversible action as soon as you depart.


Again, I have not read that thread thoroughly or I might have answered that PI has had no problem of this kind, and I hope to keep it that way.

Well, that's even better news than making a fixed version. :goodjob:

Very much appreciated and thanks again.

You know I'm really looking forward to this. (In fact, I'm thinking I should just start using it now.) I have one question though (this is my biggest question when choosing a leveling mod):

I'll try to be comprehensive. Some leveling mods, like Realistic Leveling, do an "auto-recalculate attributes" at all times. These calculations are based on your current skill levels. Thus with this little calculation, you can achieve a very immersive effect with hardly any lines of code. I really don't like this. I'm an user of the Race Balancing Project, which balances out the attributes for all races so some races are better at somethings more than others. But, if I was to use a leveling mod that recalculated attributes, RBP's system will be irrelevant since my attributes will be directly based on my skills, not my race.

Basically, does Pure Immersion simply handle advancement by manually increasing attributes once enough skill gains have happened? Or does it achieve this by calculating all your attributes based on your current skill numbers?

I hope that made sense. :shrug:

Thanks and good luck with the updates,
-Francisco-

Edit: Let me add an example using my current leveling mod, Wrye Leveling:

- With RBP and Wrye Leveling a Redguard will start out with 25 Intelligence even though all his major skills are magic skills (thus he has really high magic skills, but these skills are irrelevant to his attribute since he is a Redguard).
- With RBP and Realistic Leveling a Redgaurd with all magic major skills will start out with Intelligence at ~50 because Realistic Leveling will recalculate his attributes based on his skills.

I hope you can see what I'm getting at.

BTW, I'm not singling out Realistic Leveling. It's a great mod. I used it for months before I started using RBP and noticed this inconsistency.

With Pure immersion your original attributes are not recalculated, but the new skill advancements and boosts will have their effects and gradually increase your attributes, or if a temporary boost wears off you might see a decrease in an attribute.

But it would not be a recalculate of all attributes depending on all of your skills.

So your character's original state is not recalculated, but temporary or permanent skill boosts will translate to temporary or permanent attribute gains.

Gotcha. Well, I'm officially convinced then. I'll give PI a try tomorow after some much needed rest.

Thanks,
-Francisco-

Happy role playing. I will really appreciate any feedback.

So, I want to ask old PI users, how do you like the new version?

It solves v1.2 bugs and revamps the interface, so do I keep the new interface for the next version or should I change it again?

Feedbag, I mean Feedbacks are appreciated.

Hi,

Didn't get a chance to try out the new version but I used v1.2 for a long time and I liked it alot. I only stopped using it after you 'disappeared' (sort of speak). I was afraid I would never see all the great things you had planned. Will see if I can squeeze in this mod, or atleast look at the new interface you made. :goodjob:

-kyoma

Well, I disappeared because I had no time to spend here, but well, I surviced the squeeze.

Now I hope to continue working on the ideas that you liked in that time, and because I want to switch to OBSE, it would be much more sophisticated than what I had in my mind at that time.

If OBSE team accept my suggestions and ideas, then I will have all the tools to make a really interesting piece of work to deliver.

But if I don't have that much luck, then it will still be a lot better than what I wanted to make, and if completed, it will be a real revolution to the gameplay, and hopefully for the better.

Do you remember my old thread, "A tribute to Might and Magic games"?.

Well I want to finally start working on the concept and make it even more robust than what I wrote in that thread.

Just wait for the WIP thread to see what I have in my mind.

But I really, really hope to see OBSE team accept my suggestions, because theose would add a lot of really powerful and easy to use toolset for modders that require menus and other user interface elements.

Crossing my fingers so hard that they are going to break.

Okay so basically I had to drop PI because of one "conflict" and one possible conflict that I'd just like to point out.

The fact that PI has it's own health calculates makes it "incompatible" with the Race Balancing Project. The reason for the quotations is because the health calculations in RBP can be turned off so technically there is no problem, but I just prefer the way RBP does it since it takes into account variables present only in RBP when doing it's calculations. I suggest an option to either turn off PI's health calculations or to offer it as a separate plugin.

My other worry is the fact that in the Readme it says it is incompatible with mods that alter the tutorial session. Well, Tamriel Immersion Experience (T.I.E) basically removes the tutorial quest, so I'm assuming they're incompatible. A fix for this, I don't know how to accomplish since I don't know how PI works internally.

Sorry if I'm sounding like a spoiled brat or a customander here

I hate it when people ask for mods to be customized to their liking but I figure I should just pitch you these ideas since your actively working on PI.

Luck,
-Francisco-

P.S. While I'm here, let me just say thanks for your Market Sewer Hideout mod. I peaked over your files on Nexus and found it. It's exactly what I've been looking for. Small, simple and "sneaky"; perfect for storage and relaxing when my assassin/thief is fresh out the sewers.

No need for a change, just make sure your load order is like this

...
piCore.esm
...
PureImmersion.esp
piHealthVanilla
...
RaceBalancingProject
...

And it should work, as I have been a user of RBP myself and currently have switched to the COBL version of it.

As for load order, BOSS suggests PI to be placed at the end of the list, but it can be anywhere, as long as it's addons are placed just after it, (if used).

:)

I have used it with TIE with no problem, at least with an old version of it, and also I have heard no problem reported about a conflict.

I think TIE does remove the tutorial quest in a *correct* way, just like PI if you want to skip the dungeon, so there is no problem, but if you decide to try it, please inform me of the result, so that I could be sure about it.

P.S. glad you liked the hideout, I make my mods because I need them exactly that way, so I make them the way I want them to be, and people with similar tastes should like them too.

Glad to hear this!

Okay, I'm adding PI again.

I'll start playing with it tomorrow cause I'm too tired at the moment. So I'll be back to tell you how it plays. And BTW, really like that you made a plugin addressing Mercantile progression; that was another nuisance to me. (Selling arrows one by one by one by one by one. . . :brokencomputer: )

Thanks again,
-Francisco-

Again I make mods because I need them, and it seems that we had the same issue.

Both of us are more power-gamers, and less role players, i.e. we need perfection, so I made PI and it's addons because of that, to be able to relax and really start top role-play.

Good news, the WIP thread for the next version opened and it will be called http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=980539!

:)

Just a shameless bump, to inform the old users of the upgrade release.

If you are an old user, its recommended that you upgrade to the newer version, at least for a couple of bug fixes and the better interface.

NM, setup issues with Progress...