[Rel] Put it in its Place : Enhanced Grabbing : IV - Oblivion

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:50 pm

If the lamps can be transfered into a container, yes. If not, no.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:17 am

I have a question, is there a known issue between Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs and this mod. Cuz' I'm noticing something strange when the following load order and enter Inns like Wawnet Inn or Brena Cross Inn havent looked into others. But the hand isnt Red its normal colored like I own the stuff already and the NPC's in the area call you thief if you pick stuff up with the grab key. Brand new fresh games and existing games seem to do this. Just a question... If its just me then never mind.

00 Oblivion.esm
01 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
02 Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.4]
03 Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp
04 Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:01 am

I have a question, is there a known issue between Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs and this mod. Cuz' I'm noticing something strange when the following load order and enter Inns like Wawnet Inn or Brena Cross Inn havent looked into others. But the hand isnt Red its normal colored like I own the stuff already and the NPC's in the area call you thief if you pick stuff up with the grab key. Brand new fresh games and existing games seem to do this. Just a question... If its just me then never mind.

Load order is irrelevant, as PiiiP doesn't change any vanilla records. As for the problem itself, I have no idea what the it is ( if I understand what you've said correctly ). I suggest that you get ConScribe and reproduce the issue. Then post the contents of the console log here ( in a codebox ).

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:16 am

Load order is irrelevant, as PiiiP doesn't change any vanilla records. As for the problem itself, I have no idea what the it is ( if I understand what you've said correctly ). I suggest that you get ConScribe and reproduce the issue. Then post the contents of the console log here ( in a codebox ).

Granted, consider it reproduced:

Humbly presented for your study; A New Game, fresh out of prison, Wawnet inn. Debug Mode 4 PiiiP.
ConScribe Log:

tdtDebug Text -> OnPiiiP : INI Initialized !bc "New Game, imperial jail cell, no issues"PiiiP : Skull (0001FC0F) is not off-limits ...PiiiP : Toggle Grab fired...PiiiP : Waiting for grab key release ...PiiiP : Untoggle Grab fired ...PiiiP : Grab key released ...PiiiP : Item Tracker initialized ! PiiiP : Grabbing Core - Cycle complete ! PiiiP: Collision detected !PiiiP: Noise Detection triggered ...PiiiP : 000178C4 | Noise dist : 60.00 | Current Dist : 4630.24....PiiiP : 000178C3 | Noise dist : 60.00 | Current Dist : 4735.11....PiiiP : 00014A30 | Noise dist : 60.00 | Current Dist : 4692.02....PiiiP : 00014A2C | Noise dist : 60.00 | Current Dist : 4677.59....PiiiP : 00032A18 | Noise dist : 60.00 | Current Dist : 1823.76....PiiiP : 00032A17 | Noise dist : 60.00 | Current Dist : 1843.12....PiiiP : 00032A16 | Noise dist : 60.00 | Current Dist : 1757.62....PiiiP : 00032A15 | Noise dist : 60.00 | Current Dist : 1777.31....PiiiP : 0001FC43 | Noise dist : 60.00 | Current Dist : 1073.80....PiiiP : The item has stopped moving ...PiiiP: Item Tracking - Cycle complete !bc "picking this item up, Wawnet Inn"BetaComment addedPiiiP : Lettuce (00095C43) is not off-limits ...PiiiP : Toggle Grab fired...PiiiP : Waiting for grab key release ...PiiiP : Untoggle Grab fired ...PiiiP : Grab key released ...PiiiP : Item Tracker initialized ! PiiiP : Grabbing Core - Cycle complete ! PiiiP: Collision detected !PiiiP : The item has stopped moving ...PiiiP: Item Tracking - Cycle complete !bc "Nerussa cursing me for stealing"BetaComment addedbc "She walks over and puts the object back where it was, yelling stop thief"BetaComment addedPiiiP : Stolen Goods Misc stat reset ...PiiiP : Bread Loaf (00095C3B) is not off-limits ...PiiiP : Toggle Grab fired...PiiiP : Waiting for grab key release ...PiiiP : Untoggle Grab fired ...PiiiP : Grab key released ...PiiiP : Item Tracker initialized ! PiiiP : Grabbing Core - Cycle complete ! PiiiP : The item has stopped moving ...PiiiP: Item Tracking - Cycle complete !PiiiP : Carrot (00093CC9) is not off-limits ...PiiiP : Toggle Grab fired...PiiiP : Waiting for grab key release ...PiiiP : Untoggle Grab fired ...PiiiP : Grab key released ...PiiiP : Item Tracker initialized ! PiiiP : Grabbing Core - Cycle complete ! PiiiP : The item has stopped moving ...PiiiP: Item Tracking - Cycle complete !PiiiP : Stolen Goods Misc stat reset ...PiiiP : Stone Cup (00095C2E) is not off-limits ...PiiiP : Toggle Grab fired...PiiiP : Waiting for grab key release ...PiiiP : Untoggle Grab fired ...PiiiP : Grab key released ...PiiiP : Item Tracker initialized ! PiiiP : Grabbing Core - Cycle complete ! PiiiP : The item has stopped moving ...PiiiP: Item Tracking - Cycle complete !bc "stop thief, somebody help we've got a burgler"BetaComment addedPiiiP : Stone Mug (00095C41) is not off-limits ...PiiiP : Toggle Grab fired...PiiiP : Waiting for grab key release ...PiiiP : Untoggle Grab fired ...PiiiP : Grab key released ...PiiiP : Item Tracker initialized ! PiiiP : Grabbing Core - Cycle complete ! PiiiP: Collision detected !PiiiP : The item has stopped moving ...PiiiP: Item Tracking - Cycle complete !PiiiP : Stolen Goods Misc stat reset ...PiiiP : Lettuce (00095C43) is not off-limits ...PiiiP : Toggle Grab fired...PiiiP : Waiting for grab key release ...PiiiP : Untoggle Grab fired ...PiiiP : Grab key released ...PiiiP : Item Tracker initialized ! PiiiP : Grabbing Core - Cycle complete ! PiiiP : The item has stopped moving ...PiiiP: Item Tracking - Cycle complete !bc "put that back you worthless thief"BetaComment added

Only Mods loaded,
Oblivion.esm
Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.4]
Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp
Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp

Thank you for your time.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:03 am

Woah :mellow: I don't see why grabbing a player-owned item triggers the vanilla crime response. Do the items show up as off-limits when you have PiiiP/DP's Fresh Kills disabled ? And would you happen to be using a mouse button as the grab control ?

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:40 am

Yes the items show up as off limits when DP's Fresh kills is off. Thats how I have to run it currently or it shows like I posted, as player owned. Its been a while since I played Vanilla so I'll have to check but I dont think all the items in the Wawnet inn are supposed to even be player owned.

Grab key is the Z keyboard button not the mouse. I just use the mouse to move the held item around in space no mouse buttons pressed.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:42 am

Yes the items show up as off limits when DP's Fresh kills is off. Thats how I have to run it currently or it shows like I posted, as player owned. Its been a while since I played Vanilla so I'll have to check but I dont think all the items in the Wawnet inn are supposed to even be player owned.

See is the off-limits flag is set when running the game with PiiiP disabled and DP enabled. Meanwhile, I'll take a look at that mod and see what exactly the issue is.

Thanks for the report.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:04 pm

See is the off-limits flag is set when running the game with PiiiP disabled and DP enabled. Meanwhile, I'll take a look at that mod and see what exactly the issue is.

Thanks for the report.

With just Dp enabled Hand says its mine, Nerussa says no way punk! Maybe a "Wild Edit"?

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:02 pm

With just Dp enabled Hand says its mine, Nerussa says no way punk! Maybe a "Wild Edit"?

That exempts PiiiP. I take that you're using Fresh Kills Rev 3p4 ?

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:13 pm

That exempts PiiiP. I take that you're using Fresh Kills Rev 3p4 ?

3.4 yes, thats the only one out right now I believe. I loathe to take this to him... he seems too busy right now, I dont know the probability of a fix ever forthcoming.

Ok, well thanks again for your time.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:36 pm

3.4 yes, thats the only one out right now I believe. I loathe to take this to him... he seems too busy right now, I dont know the probability of a fix ever forthcoming.

Ok, well thanks again for your time.

Patience, mate

I'm looking into the mod right now.

EDIT: From the quick look I had, I'd say it might have something to do with DP's hot-swapping of factions. That's the only effect that could affect item ownerships. It also means it has to be fixed by the source mod.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:40 am

Patience, mate

I'm looking into the mod right now.

EDIT: From the quick look I had, I'd say it might have something to do with DP's hot-swapping of factions. That's the only effect that could affect item ownerships. It also means it has to be fixed by the source mod.

Understood, I've contacted spookyfx.com via PM since I really dont see an active thread for that mod. We'll see what happens. Thanks again for your help. In the mean time I'll continue to keep it disabled, even if it would help with immersion and my little murderous khajiit character Ja'Nural :ninja:

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:55 pm

Okay, seen the videos and I was really amused [ by the behind pinching in particular ] and amazed [ by the black lines around objects in your game, looks cool, what's that?]
I think it looks absolutelly perfect when npc is slapping you, the animation fits, and the animation of pc holding the burning spot afterwards for a while is a great idea.
When pc slaps it's good, really, but the hit goes a bit off, it doesn't quite touch the face, would it be possible to move the 1st person hand a bit?
Anyway, it's really great and I appreciate the fulfilling of my reqz.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:28 am

Okay, seen the videos and I was really amused [ by the behind pinching in particular ] and amazed [ by the black lines around objects in your game, looks cool, what's that?]

I think it looks absolutelly perfect when npc is slapping you, the animation fits, and the animation of pc holding the burning spot afterwards for a while is a great idea.
When pc slaps it's good, really, but the hit goes a bit off, it doesn't quite touch the face, would it be possible to move the 1st person hand a bit?
Anyway, it's really great and I appreciate the fulfilling of my reqz.

That's the edge detection shader I use with OGE.

Aye, I see that too. Unfortunately, that's as far as I could go to keep the balance b'ween animation clipping and positioning.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:59 am

That's the edge detection shader I use with OGE.

Aye, I see that too. Unfortunately, that's as far as I could go to keep the balance b'ween animation clipping and positioning.

It's really not at all a big deal, I love what you've done. Of course, it wouldn't be possible without my great, original idea. ^_^
Ahem, well, good luck with your work.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:26 pm

It's really not at all a big deal, I love what you've done. Of course, it wouldn't be possible without my great, original idea. ^_^

That be true :bowdown:

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:07 pm

:D
I believe I speak for all users of this mod: yes please!

Hmm, if shadeMe do the scripts I think I can do the animation ^_^

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:16 pm

Hmm, if shadeMe do the scripts I think I can do the animation ^_^

Hey, I don't mind :lol:

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:26 am

Hey, I don't mind :lol:

I don't either

so how do you want the animation to looks :lol:

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:23 am

I don't either

so how do you want the animation to looks :lol:

I'm not really furnished in the art department. Make what you may - I only ask you to keep it from getting too ... loud

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:24 pm

hmm, somone here is "furnished in the art department" :lmao: ?

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:27 am

Seems like it. But I'll release it by Feb., should OBSE take longer.

Ahem....**cough**...**cough**...

What date is it? Ah, it's early March, and the sun shone... :whistle:

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:55 am

I feel like slapping someone ... from the game, of course

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:32 am

Ahem....**cough**...**cough**...

What date is it? Ah, it's early March, and the sun shone... :whistle:

I feel like slapping someone ... from the game, of course

People, people ! This mod is a work of art, and as we all know, art doesn't like to be pressured (or coerced). The good news is this :

OBSE 18 Final is imminent (should happen this month)
PiiiP's testing has given me a Go

That said, you can register as testers in the TESAlliance Beta Tester's Guild and check it out right now.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:33 am

People, people ! This mod is a work of art, and as we all know, art doesn't like to be pressured (or coerced). The good news is this :

OBSE 18 Final is imminent (should happen this month)
PiiiP's testing has given me a Go

That said, you can register as testers in the TESAlliance Beta Tester's Guild and check it out right now.

Please...I was asking date, where is the pressure or coercion on that?

And no, I don't know that art doesn't like to be pressured or coerced.

Anyway, let's get back on topic, how many new features are you planning this time?