Remember that one ruin in oblivion that had that puzzle in it where you had to move some stones around or something? Well I don't know about anyone else, but when I found that I was thinking 'finally! something to actually do in a cave for once!'. And it was fun. Puzzles have sort of gradually died out of games over the years, I would guess probably in some part due to the whole 'going mainstream' fiasco. But I think they really enrich a game, and would especially do so in an open-world title such as this, even if they don't play a major role in the game, instead perhaps just being sprinkled lightly into the odd cave or two. It could make the difference between a cave being fun or dull.

TES VI: Golden Sun !!!!!!

I fully agree, I want more puzzles.

I like puzzles... no, I love puzzles.

Not too hard puzzles though, then it just gets tiresome.

Remember that puzzle that wanted you to drown yourself XD? i was so proud to have discovered it myself i wonder how you did it as an argonian....

Puzzles are always welcomed in my book, its nice using my brain to figure out some crazy physics based puzzle or something instead of just running around killing things only. I feel puzzles are a good thing to break up all the action and give the game diversity.

Agreed. And I don't want to spend 4 hours on a puzzle.

I remember a dungeon in the Knights of the Nine expansion for Oblivion had a few puzzles, and I thought those were cool.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Through_A_Nightmare,_Darkly

I hope we have more small little puzzles like that torch in Skyrim, that was kind of cool. Move more objects around with the grab button to place weights on a certain scale pressure plate in conjunction to other weights and poof open a door, The fort wall will show a crude pic of what your trying to do or something like that.

Knight of Nine had a few puzzles that were fun.

I once solved a puzzle. Then I got attacked by two statues.

I think the proper approach to puzzles is the one they have when hacking a computer in FO. Randomly generated for every try and quick enough so it doesn't stop the action dead cold other than coming up with a brilliant puzzle that once you solved once, you already know the solution on your second play.

I love little simplistic puzzles.......I think most of the one Oblivion had were fine and I think I would prefer more of them if there are any Ayleid ruins.

I like puzzles. As long as they're not too hard.

If I recall correctly, the trigger for it was having your health drop below a certain point; not necessarily because of drowning.

So if you were an argonian, you figured that out, then enchanted an item with damage health on self! Even better puzzle.

I don't like minigame puzzles. <_<

Maybe there should be some places where there are very hard puzzles but also big treasure. :3

Some proper ones would be good. Not extremely hard, but something that requires actual thinking. Like that one mages guild quest were you had to translate some stuff - but with the difference that you actually do the translation.

Important though: If you don't make it, the quest should still continue. The reward will be smaller, or the alternative route dangerous, but there should always be multiple approaches. The barbarian type might just charge in killing everything, the thief sneak around it and avoid the whole thing, and the mage solve a puzzle that stuns the enemies in place when it succeeds for long enough to cross the room or w/e.

yeah actually thats a point, I meant proper puzzles, not a reimagining of pipemania

But puzzles in of themselves mini games already.

The puzzle to solve in a certain DF dungeon was no minigame

If I remember right, regarding Argonians, didn't they have to cast a special power to benefit from water breathing? Or am I mistaken?

Anyways, yes, puzzles good. But not TOO hard of puzzles. Maybe optional?

True but with puzzles that require actual game workings like dragging a crate to a button square or hitting the right sequence of levers.

I enjoyed limbo with its puzzles that blended well into the environment.

Specially manipulating the weight of dead carcasses to pass bear traps and other such obstacles.

Ah, but you see, the extremist would argue that those are still minigames due to the fact that the player must use his/her own intelligence to figure it out as opposed to, say, a dice roll against the character's intelligence.

So

Runes that give more complete answers dependant upon the character's int. might be a non-minigame puzzle, no?

But in the history of RPG's are there usually puzzels of some sort, and it was up to the GM to decide how to approach it: die roll or let the players figure it out. Actually, in that sense, puzzles predate minigames, (climbs on pedistle) and therefore are essentially cannon to RPG's!!!!

Mechanical puzzles in dungeons aside, I prefer quests where you have to actually investigate stuff rather than just following orders. (find the murderer, thief, missing person...)
Also the "stealth puzzles" from the thieves guild and the dark brotherhood in Oblivion were the more memorable moments of that game. Both are puzzles too and I enjoy them the most.

What I didn't like so much was the labyrinth structure of the ruins in OB. If it's a mine or a castle build on top of a ruin that was also build on top of an even older structure, then the underworks could get rather confusing and that's cool.
But to design a maze just for the sake letting the player spent more time down there, that I don't like.

Better to have a believable structure with a real puzzle, like mechanical devise that you need to fix, rather than running in a maze looking for a button to push.

No, water breathing was a permanent and constant effect.

Well it doesn't really matter how there categorized to me, I would like both types of puzzle formats
(+ mystery quest puzzles as pointed out).

Hell I hope we get better rewards, instead of just new awesome items we also find lost tomes of lore from TES or some old scroll that talks about what happened to the Dwemer.