QTP3 and stuff : IV

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:46 pm

So today i had a look around again, and what caught my attention was QTP3 redimized. The description of it says that it allows the game to run much more smoothly while with minimal reduction in visual quality. Now I have mentioned this before, but I think my game is running quite flawlessly right now, besides maybe the strangest problem of having random CTDs. Now i believe those CTDs aren't caused by mod compatibility issues, but certainly i'm wondering whether it's just CTDing after some gameplay due to oblivion running out of resources? Although i'd be very surprised at that happening, didn't think 4gb of ram can be eaten up by oblivion no matter the playing time. Anyway, as i was saying, since i have the full version of qtp3 installed now, i'm thinking about trying the redimized version. I really didn't want to though, as it seems to be an insult to my hardware

(quad core i7, ati 5870 vcard, 6gb ram...etc). But i'm really keen to reduce my random CTDs now, it's crashing a bit too frequently for my liking at the moment, and i'm wondering how much is the qtp redimized version really going to help.

Any ideas/comments about this?

edti: i just want to clarify that when i mention random CTDs it's from things like transition, loading new area, randomly ctd while i'm just running, doing an action, etc. One of these would just happen randomly after some gameplay (could be anywhere from 10-30mins), but i just don't think it's stable enough for me.
And despite having a good computer, qtp3 really causes a lot of fps drop and stuttering, which shouldn't happen...

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:14 am

My first question is are you playing with any other mods? Any overhauls, compilations, etc? Usually, the more mods you have, the bigger your chances are of having random CTD's. Unfortunately, that's unavoidable for the most part.

As for your question about QTP3R, you really wouldn't need to make the switch, but if you really want to lower resources used by about 1/4-1/2, then go for it. I used to use QTP3 and it ran fine on my 5770. I just decided to switch to QT3PR to see if it would improve my FPS any, and I barely noticed a difference. And there was a slight improvement FPS-wise.

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:34 am

ok i might as well post my load order for anyone wondering, i am using a lot of mods, but seriously, i've installed them all properly, in the right orders. I'm thinking about switching to BAIN soon but really i haven't had time to learn it just yet, so i'm sticking to obmm and manual for now. I've done so many reinstalls that i'm quite positive my mods are running as expected. Most of them are popular and well known too, with cleaned esps and pyffied meshes etc already by the authors...so really i don't see why my game is ctding so much. As for qtp3 redimized...i was hoping it'd be a more noticable improvement than that..

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i mean really....looking at this list i don't see any mods which may have a noticable impact on the amount of ctds...besides, many people have said that they have 200+ mods running and their game is stable...i wonder what they meant by stable. I'm really hating this random ctds because the loading takes very long each startup.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:18 pm

Did you PyFFI your Oblivion meshes bsa? If so, from my experience, PyFFI can cause crashes.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:18 pm

Did you PyFFI your Oblivion meshes bsa? If so, from my experience, PyFFI can cause crashes.

nope, i don't pyffi, and i don't clean mods. i know that most of the mods really should be cleaned, but from my experience if it's a well known mod then it's either already cleaned, or the "dirty edits" isn't going to affect gameplay much.

as far as i can tell my crashes aren't caused by anything i did wrong or any mods holding things up, it's just like too many mods = more frequent crashes type, but i'm wondering whether some mods like qtp3 just may be using up too much resources etc to cause premature crashes, maybe if i tweaked a few things i could have an hour per crash now that would be stable imo.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:49 pm

Random crashes are almost guaranteed to be caused by system overload, particularly the video card.
Using QTP3R instead is recommended.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:05 pm

I too have what I consider a by-and-large stable Oblivion install, yet still get infrequent black-screen "stopped responding" episodes. Mine don't normally come nearly as often as yours. I can play days on end without seeing one, including a number of three-plus hour sessions. Then again, I've gotten hit within 20 minutes of launching my first daily session.

And like you, my inclination is to think that the freezes are due to Oblivion running out of resources. Either that or something fails to load correctly and when needed WHAM... black screen.

One thing I've noticed, though it may be total coincidence. Almost invariably I'll see a black screen during play if, sometime earlier in the day, I watched online videos via YouTube or some other site. Rebooting after watching them doesn't seem to matter. I pretty much need to shut down the computer and leave it off a while, then start afresh and make sure I don't play any videos before launching the game. Not sure what's up with that, and again it might be nothing but sheer coincidence.

-Decrepit-

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:57 pm

Another thing to think about is your overall system temperature. I've found invariably that if the chipset temp is hovering near its threshhold temperature at idle--usually caused by dust-blocked vents--Oblivion will push it over the edge in short order. The same goes for your video card. It's something you have to keep an eye on constantly--check your temperatures right after a crash in a previously-stable game, and you may well find that the culprit was not a mod at all.

» Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:02 am

Also get the 4-GB patch if you are using Win 7 64-bit...and can't play without OSR. I also recommend Gamebooster (a standalone utility that shuts down unnecessary background processes when gaming).

I have a i7-930, Nvidia GTX480, 6GB RAM too, and QTP3R runs fairly smooth on my system. Temps used to be almost 80C on my GTX480, but those are known to be hot. I have a HAF922 case with a bunch of fans, so that helps. I don't get random crashes, and I run a heavily modded FCOM-BC-UL setup (254 mods active+many merged into bashed patch). FPS is still high (I set the low limit on 30 fps).*knocks on wood*

I also like to shutdown my game every 3 hours or such, so that I can start anew and prevent Oblivion from hogging too much memory and generally slowing down.

The only place I had trouble was when using QTP3 textures in Blood&MUd Bravil - so I reverted to Blood & MUd textures, and that too was resolved.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:32 pm

Random crashes are almost guaranteed to be caused by system overload, particularly the video card.
Using QTP3R instead is recommended.

i don't think my system is overloaded, especially with the stuff i have.

I too have what I consider a by-and-large stable Oblivion install, yet still get infrequent black-screen "stopped responding" episodes. Mine don't normally come nearly as often as yours. I can play days on end without seeing one, including a number of three-plus hour sessions. Then again, I've gotten hit within 20 minutes of launching my first daily session.

And like you, my inclination is to think that the freezes are due to Oblivion running out of resources. Either that or something fails to load correctly and when needed WHAM... black screen.

One thing I've noticed, though it may be total coincidence. Almost invariably I'll see a black screen during play if, sometime earlier in the day, I watched online videos via YouTube or some other site. Rebooting after watching them doesn't seem to matter. I pretty much need to shut down the computer and leave it off a while, then start afresh and make sure I don't play any videos before launching the game. Not sure what's up with that, and again it might be nothing but sheer coincidence.

-Decrepit-

no idea, i don't watch youtube so i can't varify on that. though it's quite interesting i wonder how that would affect a game's performance.

Another thing to think about is your overall system temperature. I've found invariably that if the chipset temp is hovering near its threshhold temperature at idle--usually caused by dust-blocked vents--Oblivion will push it over the edge in short order. The same goes for your video card. It's something you have to keep an eye on constantly--check your temperatures right after a crash in a previously-stable game, and you may well find that the culprit was not a mod at all.

ya, i've been havinga look at it, and it's definitely fine, the temp is not high at all, i have 2 fans in the box plus the cpu fan, they don't even speed up when playing the game.

Also get the 4-GB patch if you are using Win 7 64-bit...and can't play without OSR. I also recommend Gamebooster (a standalone utility that shuts down unnecessary background processes when gaming).

I have a i7-930, Nvidia GTX480, 6GB RAM too, and QTP3R runs fairly smooth on my system. Temps used to be almost 80C on my GTX480, but those are known to be hot. I have a HAF922 case with a bunch of fans, so that helps. I don't get random crashes, and I run a heavily modded FCOM-BC-UL setup (254 mods active+many merged into bashed patch). FPS is still high (I set the low limit on 30 fps).*knocks on wood*

I also like to shutdown my game every 3 hours or such, so that I can start anew and prevent Oblivion from hogging too much memory and generally slowing down.

The only place I had trouble was when using QTP3 textures in Blood&MUd Bravil - so I reverted to Blood & MUd textures, and that too was resolved.

yeah i've got the 4gb patch, i actually found that using it on oblivion.exe was almost useless, i used it also on obse.exe and it had a noticable improvement, even though it's suggested to use it on oblivion.exe instead.
to be honest i don't see how you could be running at a minimum of 30fps, thats quite...crazy. how stable is your game? since you say you like to shut it down every 3 hours or so then you could play for hours without it crashing? if so...did you do anything special to get your game to be stable this way? (btw, if you don't mind could you post your load order?)

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:03 pm

sort of a separate question...but i just realised if i used TIE instead of FCOM i'd save 50 slots...wouldn't that improve performance heh. although..it'd be nice to get some feedback from TIE users here, just how good is it compared to FCOM, and where is it lacking?

edit: i must say on the TIE page not much is mentioned regarding to compatibility issues. While FCOM is compatible to just about everything, is TIE the same?

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:27 pm

i don't think my system is overloaded, especially with the stuff i have.

How much VRAM does your vidoe card have, what kind of FPS do yet get outdoors and how much VRAM does the game use (check by writing TDT followed dy SDT 13 from console). I'm using a combo of Mtgr's textures and QTP3R and sometimes the game uses more than 1 GB VRAM.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:38 pm

yeah i've got the 4gb patch, i actually found that using it on oblivion.exe was almost useless, i used it also on obse.exe and it had a noticable improvement, even though it's suggested to use it on oblivion.exe instead.
to be honest i don't see how you could be running at a minimum of 30fps, thats quite...crazy. how stable is your game? since you say you like to shut it down every 3 hours or so then you could play for hours without it crashing? if so...did you do anything special to get your game to be stable this way? (btw, if you don't mind could you post your load order?)

Yes, I've tweaked this setup many times (I use Wrye Bash) to make sure that my mods behave. Streamline also helps. Tomlong's website and other advice from experienced members on this forum have helped me achieve this state. It is not crash-proof though. The other day I started getting a crash whenever I slept - I had to go back about 10 streamsaves to get to a stage where this didn't happen...

Small correction - my min fps is set at 25, not 30. OSR tries to keep it at that, but I am sure it goes down some at times...

My LO for your reference:

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» Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:29 am

How much VRAM does your vidoe card have, what kind of FPS do yet get outdoors and how much VRAM does the game use (check by writing TDT followed dy SDT 13 from console). I'm using a combo of Mtgr's textures and QTP3R and sometimes the game uses more than 1 GB VRAM.

yeah 1gb vram, the card is ati 5870...erm yeah i should check the vram, i get decent fps i think 20ish sometimes more, i get horrible fps around waterfront/market/bravil though, like 10ish...and i shouldn't be getting such low fps.

edit: anithinks that is a huge load order :S just a few more questions, i'm guessing all your settings are on maximum, but did you use any ini tweaks to for example lower grass density etc?

e2: just did a checkup with the vram usage. it doesn't go over 1gb, normally around 600-800mb. also my fps is around 30 most the time, however it still stutters even with that fps, and i have OSR installed, streamline, weOCPS etc, i did try it without those and it was a lot worse in terms of smooth gameplay.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:35 pm

sort of a separate question...but i just realised if i used TIE instead of FCOM i'd save 50 slots...wouldn't that improve performance heh. although..it'd be nice to get some feedback from TIE users here, just how good is it compared to FCOM, and where is it lacking?

edit: i must say on the TIE page not much is mentioned regarding to compatibility issues. While FCOM is compatible to just about everything, is TIE the same?

T.I.E. Pros:
1. Very small file size (only 3 MB)
2. Extremely easy to install. (Just place TIE.esp in the Data folder, activate, and you're done)
3. Uses only vanilla resources, so there's no need to worry about missing textures and the like.
4. Better immersion than FCOM, but still maintains a slight vanilla feel to it.
5. Stealth is greatly improved
6. TNR (Tamriel NPCs Revamped) is fully integrated, so NPCs have greater diversity.
7. Tamriel Travelers fully integrated, so prepare for fully dynamic and interesting encounters.
8. Fences are scattered throughout cities, so you don't have to join the Thieves Guild just to sell something you stole.
9. All loot and enemies are non-leveled.
10. Realistic wildlife, which actually makes hunting fun and challenging.

T.I.E. Cons: (When compared to FCOM)
1. Not as many items as FCOM.
2. Not as many enemy variations as FCOM.
3. Not modular, so if you see a feature you don't like, you'll have to live with it.
4. Is actually a bit more unforgiving than FCOM at the beginning.

As for compatibility, T.I.E. is NOT COMPATIBLE with any current overhaul mod. If you're looking to use T.I.E. in FCOM, either used http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18138 or http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18071. Though it seems in order to be compatible with FCOM, a good amount of key features were taken out. Also note that the files in question are based on older builds of T.I.E., so you won't be getting the same improvements as offered by version 1.38.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:09 am

T.I.E. Pros:
1. Very small file size (only 3 MB)
2. Extremely easy to install. (Just place TIE.esp in the Data folder, activate, and you're done)
3. Uses only vanilla resources, so there's no need to worry about missing textures and the like.
4. Better immersion than FCOM, but still maintains a slight vanilla feel to it.
5. Stealth is greatly improved
6. TNR (Tamriel NPCs Revamped) is fully integrated, so NPCs have greater diversity.
7. Tamriel Travelers fully integrated, so prepare for fully dynamic and interesting encounters.
8. Fences are scattered throughout cities, so you don't have to join the Thieves Guild just to sell something you stole.
9. All loot and enemies are non-leveled.
10. Realistic wildlife, which actually makes hunting fun and challenging.

T.I.E. Cons: (When compared to FCOM)
1. Not as many items as FCOM.
2. Not as many enemy variations as FCOM.
3. Not modular, so if you see a feature you don't like, you'll have to live with it.
4. Is actually a bit more unforgiving than FCOM at the beginning.

As for compatibility, T.I.E. is NOT COMPATIBLE with any current overhaul mod. If you're looking to use T.I.E. in FCOM, either used http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18138 or http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18071. Though it seems in order to be compatible with FCOM, a good amount of key features were taken out. Also note that the files in question are based on older builds of T.I.E., so you won't be getting the same improvements as offered by version 1.38.

@the pros, thats why it look VERY usable and going to help with general game performance. i'm assuming that tameriel travellers won't be needed if i use TIE since it's integrated. I probably wouldn't mind having less items than FCOM, since there are so much i'm pretty sure 50% of it i haven't even had the chance to look at. although i am thinking about all those awesome OOO things that won't be in TIE.
@the cons, i don't mind the modularity thing, since really things are always going to have good and bad, they balance. it's never perfect. i don't mind the challenge at the start, love challenge. I read it on the dl site for TIE, it says theres this key you need which you get at the sewers...well, i guess if i install TIE it's start all over for the millionth time...again

and i wasn't asking for compatibility with overhauls. i'm thinking of switching from FCOM to TIE not integration of both. I really believe that having around 50 less esps is going to help immensely with game performance, which is what i really want to achieve.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:45 pm

TIE adds hundreds of NPCs, though, and their AI Packages will probably eat up quite a bit of CPU power, but on the other hand FCOM probably has much more scripts running.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:17 pm

TIE adds hundreds of NPCs, though, and their AI Packages will probably eat up quite a bit of CPU power, but on the other hand FCOM probably has much more scripts running.

i'm not worried about cpu overload tbh, i7 930 surely can handle it? also, i use a utility called prio, it's free and basically it allows me to save the changes to core affinity and priority. i've set oblivion.exe to use the last 3 cores and on high priority so it's getting all the resources that i have really, i don't see how any type of overload is causing random ctds. Although, i've read that weOCPS could cause some crashes, especially on transition, and pluggy could. it seems the obse plugins have a tendency of causing random crashes.

and after all this i'm wondering whether qtp redimized is really going to help much with the performance

it's taking forever to dl thats for sure

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:42 pm

Don't underestimate Oblivion's hunger for CPU power...

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:47 pm

Don't underestimate Oblivion's hunger for CPU power...

well i can pretty much make a direct comparison here, i'm using less mods than anithinks, we have pretty much the same rig, he's getting more fps, less ctds. wut...

oh yeah, besides qtp3r, which i'm going to try when i finished dl it...

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:32 pm

i'm not worried about cpu overload tbh, i7 930 surely can handle it? also, i use a utility called prio, it's free and basically it allows me to save the changes to core affinity and priority. i've set oblivion.exe to use the last 3 cores and on high priority so it's getting all the resources that i have really,

Does it really use all 3 cores?
AFAIK Oblivion can only use one core.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:28 am

@the pros, thats why it look VERY usable and going to help with general game performance. i'm assuming that tameriel travellers won't be needed if i use TIE since it's integrated. I probably wouldn't mind having less items than FCOM, since there are so much i'm pretty sure 50% of it i haven't even had the chance to look at. although i am thinking about all those awesome OOO things that won't be in TIE.

Indeed. I noticed that after switching to T.I.E., my performance has very much increased. For starters, combat doesn't really slow down the game that much any more. It's actually tolerable.

Then again, who knows. It may be just because I also switched from Oblivion XP and it's script heavy-ness to nGCD for my leveling. Though I doubt that's the reason.

@the cons, i don't mind the modularity thing, since really things are always going to have good and bad, they balance. it's never perfect. i don't mind the challenge at the start, love challenge. I read it on the dl site for TIE, it says theres this key you need which you get at the sewers...well, i guess if i install TIE it's start all over for the millionth time...again

Well, seeing as your FCOM saves wouldn't be all that compatible with T.I.E., it would be really wise to start a new game anyway. Though if you had upgraded from vanilla to T.I.E., I'm pretty sure you could just revisit the sewer later on and find the key since it's in the area before you exit.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:35 pm

Does it really use all 3 cores?
AFAIK Oblivion can only use one core.

hmm...good point, i wouldn't mind some clarification on this.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:04 pm

Indeed. I noticed that after switching to T.I.E., my performance has very much increased. For starters, combat doesn't really slow down the game that much any more. It's actually tolerable.

Then again, who knows. It may be just because I also switched from Oblivion XP and it's script heavy-ness to nGCD for my leveling. Though I doubt that's the reason.

Well, seeing as your FCOM saves wouldn't be all that compatible with T.I.E., it would be really wise to start a new game anyway. Though if you had upgraded from vanilla to T.I.E., I'm pretty sure you could just revisit the sewer later on and find the key since it's in the area before you exit.

but the sewers are locked after a while, it's ok to go in immediately but somwhere during the game it gets locked, you can only go in when doing the db questline. i'm using oxp, and i don't think it affects the performance a great deal. in general i don't think scripts are causing the majority of the slowdowns.

» Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:26 pm

hmm...good point, i wouldn't mind some clarification on this.

It only uses one core, but that does not mean that the rest of your computers programs can't use the others. But even so whatever that one core it is using is the max processing that is going to happen.

Things I've done to increase performance:
PyFFI'd and repackaged my Meshes folder with less compression.
Apply the 4 GB patch to the exe (Only good with quad core I think).
Clean my mods.
Master the use of an installer so that I know exactly what is installed.

random crashes at random times sound like system overload. And while TIE adds a lot of NPCs it is also true that MMM adds a lot of spawn points and monsters.