oh we sure where surprised alright :facepalm:

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oh we sure where surprised alright :facepalm:
[/quoOh yeah we were REALLY surprised at this pr [CENSORED]!!!!!

THIS

Plus it is a product they plan to market and sell internationally, so why not give everyone the chance to see the previews? :shrug:

There's so many ways to make everyone win.
They could release the streamed demo in parts a week or so after Quakecon, giving those that saw an advantage of seeing sooner, and thus still providing an incentive to go.
Heck, even if they set down a solid date for the Demo, I'd be happy, even if it was in a month.

This is just poorly handled.

"We're really pushing the hardware to its limits." -Todd Howard

"We've rewrote everything about the engine and it looks amazing." -Todd Howard

"QuakeCon will feature a 90 minute presentation on Skyrim... -- but not filming or live streaming (so you can't see it)." -Pete Hines

"We're really striving to make the game look good on all platforms." -Todd Howard

"The PC UI has been reworked to better suit the PC." -Bethesda, in general."

"When we show it, we'll show a lot." -Todd Howard (commenting on Skyrim-based information back in December)


"How's the collector's edition coming along?" -Us... several months ago
"We'll let you know about it as soon as we're ready." -Gstaff
"A premium edition pre-order map is available (but we cannot comment on its relation to the as-of-yet unconfirmed, yet undenied, collector's edition)." -Gstaff






I highly doubt any of the mentioned Bethesda employees are to blame for any of this (Gstaff's Bethesda's mouthpiece and Todd is a legally-bound Bethesda developer that likely has to watch what he says, as well.), although I'm not too sure about Pete, but whoever is making the big decisions about what can or cannot be said needs to be fired. I understand that they got blasted for being a little too open in the past (particularly with Oblivion, but they have shown things not in the final version with Morrowind and, ESPECIALLY, with Daggerfall, as well), but completely shutting down and hiding everything from your fanbase is a reaction equally as overly-extreme as showing too much about non-final features. What they're doing with QuakeCon, however, is simply nonsensical.

"expect new info," my dried up raisin butt cheeks! That's pretty fierce, lying like that. What's even fiercer is Bethesda taking a fart point blank into their nostrils. I can't even believe this. Do interviewers and show camera men not flock to quakecon like mindless pigeons? Who gives a flying, juicy, lumpy turdmissile about these console gamers boohooing over PC graphics? If they're going to cry that much, then maybe they should get a box of [censored] Kleenex, because we are the real fans here.

I actually think that is the wisest post so far throughout this thread. I feel the same, if they would just give us a date to say "ok guys this is when you know you will get more info/ a longer demo" that would be great and I could leave this whole flamming topic alone.

The more I think about it more pissed I get. The pr on Skyrim just svcks. :toughninja:

Up until now I always thought they were hiding the good things about skyrim, but now I fear they are concealing something more sinister....

Don't go the way of Square Enix. The utter failure of FFXIII and FFXIV caused an earthquake and nuclear meltdown, please Bethesda,...for America

overintensive streamlining = epic fail

I'm sitting here angry and vocal over Bethesda's shortcomings in the PR department, and you're sitting here insulting me and insinuating I am not a real fan? This isn't about platforms, this is about PR failure and I'm right here complaining. Do you honestly believe this is about consoles or that a console gamer isn't a real fan, by some chance? In said case, I have little respect for your post and will make sure to avoid caring about your posts in the future. Someone always has to turn something into a "console players aren't real fans" debate. Unbelievable... :shakehead:

Agreed this thread is not about which platform is better, or who are better or bigger fans. PLEASE TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC PEOPLE :thumbsup:

I agree. I'm doing the same as you, and I'm also a console player.
This thread has nothing to do with consoles, streamlining, or even the game itself.
This is about how horrid the PR is. This is about the fans giving feedback on how Bethesda needs to check themselves.

Indeed. Is it true that QuakeCon is a free event?


edit: free to view, I mean

The only legitimate reason we've had the PC content concealed so far is because of consoles, as Todd said. I fail to accept " oops PR." and excuse my trodding, but give a PC some flame room. We, in absolute honesty, have not seen 1 pixel of the game that we are going to play. So pardon, your a fan, but how long is it until I see some motherdumping PC content. And beyond that, 90% of us got flat out lied to like we are bags of stupid fat. News soon, bah!

everyone always has to start a argument about that, why do people always act better than everyone else because of what you play on. its about the quakecon issue not an argument about platforms.

Indeed, go http://registration.quakecon.org/
It's the pre-sign up for QuakeCon. Just enter your birth date and take a look at the packages offered. You'll noticed the first called 'General attendance' is free.

Without fans, there would be no Bethesda. Every single member of said company owes their job to the fact people like, and more importantly, buy their games. So in reality, theres nothing wrong with fans having a bit of entitlement since they really are the ones paying Bethesda employees salaries through buying their games. At the same time its not smart of a company to make UN-necessary PR blunders like this. Just stream the damn thing, and everyones happy.

To be fair, I don't see the big issue here. Bethesda wasn't going to record (and even claimed they didn't if I recall correctly) the original E3 showing of Oblivion either.... yet that eventually leaked out, and I'm sure this will to. Still though, fans have every right to show a little entitlement once in a while. Developers need to be reminded who actually buys their games, and who they are making them for.

Beths pr lies the bit at about showing a lot. TODD TODD TODD TODD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes I believe it is (according to wiki anyway) which rely's a lot on volunteer employees.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuakeCon

Well, I never have thought about it that way.

This guy has a point.

Exactly! The destruction of many organisations is when they forget how they got to where they are. without the fans boosting the credibility of this franchise, their brand would mean nothing.

I haven't seen a single pixel of my version, either, and concealment of the PC version has nothing to do with consoles. What a company does or doesn't do is their decision and their decision, alone. If it's due to consoles, explain what the reason for one of the two consoles not having their version shown is. Regardless, that doesn't excuse rude behavior and uncalled-for insults. You want news, you want to see your version. I want news and I want to see my version. I, however, have not resorted to saying you are not a fan of this series. Why should I expect any less of your respect for myself and all others playing the game on a game console?

Then what is Bethesda's reasoning behind this exclusivity of content? I can't understand what logic they're following, here.

The most logical answer for lack of video and/or streaming content is anything Skyrim at QuakeCon is going to be the PC version, and they've made it clear they don't want that out in the media. So, any of the footage that "bootleggers" will get will be bad footage. Shakey camera, grainy, etc. etc. Thus the console gamers won't realize the better graphics.

That's my theory at least, and I saw a few others comment on this.

But, another reason is that they are just trying to get more people to actually GO to QuakeCon. By the time the event begins, there will be streaming video galore! Here's hoping at least.

Well, I can only think of one reason. They're scheduled to be at other events with Skyrim after QuakeCon. I can only imagine that they want people to have a reason to go to their booth at places like PAX in September. It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense, though. I'm sure they'd still be flocked with people at those events regardless if they've seen it or not.

So far, from what I've seen, they have never been really good on the subject of PR. They either show way too much *cough*New Vegas*cough* or way too little. Or they show it at a completely wrong time! PR is a difficult thing, figuring out what to show and what not to show, when to show things, how and where but damn, it's not THIS difficult. It's like the people in that department think they learned from past mistakes and think they are doing it right this time but instead make the same sort of mistake in a different way.

Marketing is all about getting your product out there, showing it's best qualities and what it's about while still keeping people wanting to find out more about it. This isn't done by showing exactly how the tutorial is done and basically giving a walkthrough that leaves the fans with nothing to discover about the start. This also isn't done by leaving the fans waiting for news for ages. Just a little bit shows the fans that 'yes guys we are still thinking about you. We know it's hard to wait for it so here's a tiny bit to wet and settle your hunger at the same time.' There are millions of fans out there who won't be able to attend certain events, making them feel left out in a certain way.

Lately I've been feeling left out on area's concerning Bethesda. Wether it's not managing to get a collectors edition for NV because it doesn't exist for the PC version in my country (which I'm still pissed about thank you very much) or deliberately being left out on content and then having to watch people on the internet that did manage to go to the event go all "Oh man, it was amazing you so should have been there" on my rear. It's poor marketing, poor PR and plain poor decision making and personally I thought Bethesda would be better since they are pretty good in other departments. I just feel like with every little thing they will promise in the future that I have to wonder "will they actually release it and will they release it in a way that won't ruin it for me." I really don't want to have to stop coming here so I won't be frustrated with the way they handle information on upcoming games. Cause I love coming here and that would make me a sad sad panda.