There's the main issue. It's not fun. I remember other development cycles. Where they'd leak a screen shot and the entire forum would erupt, everyone anolyzing it for new shreds of info, linking it together with old info, only to be set slightly back on topic by a sly developer with a mysterious post.

I've yet to have this sort of thing happen with skyrim. That is the largest disappointment.

Because they were hyping QuakeCon as well as the game.

What? What does that change?
That doesn't change a single thing. I was looking forward to seeing other parts of quake con as well, which I won't be able to see either.
It still doesn't change. I'm not just mad about Skyrim, I'm mad about QuakeCon in general.

Indeed, but I still stick by my "how do they expect us to go" card. Hyping QuakeCon is fine, and all, but before all the hype and the promises of great things to come, they could have warned us that almost nearly all of us wouldn't be seeing any of it. Hyping a magazine is one thing. I go to the local bookstore chain at least once or twice a week and can easily just pick up a magazine at any time and read it or buy it for a few dollars. Going to QuakeCon, especially at that one, specific time and day (whereas magazines don't really come and go in a matter of minutes), is an impossibility and something only someone near it or someone who is far too obsessed with video games (It takes a lot for me, especially, to say that with a straight face as though I'm not too obsessed with video games, myself.) will actually do, as far as I can see. At the very least, a few bones for those of us who don't go to QuakeCon would be nice.

That was fun...

The word 'Fun' is subjective.

They don't expect everyone to go but they want those that do to have something special to see and do. And as I said, we eventually get it all. It just will come to us in trickles rather than at a big shot in the arm like those who go to and love QuakeCon.

It really isn't. I don't get all of the outrage over this. Maybe you all had your expectations set too high? If so, it's a mistake you should've learned from (especially with E3).

Relax, guys. Even though there won't be a live stream doesn't mean there will be a total media blackout in August. Bethesda may release some information, videos, screens, etc on their blog or website. We'll probably be getting some articles about the event from attendees at the very least.

CHILL OUT :jammasterjay:

Ever hear about the piece of straw that broke the donkey's back?
Same rule applies.

Bethesda should really release footage of this demo. And if they're shy about showing the same demo as e3, then they might as well showcase a different demo of the game, in a different environment with a different type of character doing different stuff.

What a let down for all your loyal fans, Bethesda. I know a few have become reluctant to buy the game because of the miserable pr.

For the longest time, I was pretty much ignoring the stream of information on Skyrim (however much that's been, I don't know), and it would appear that that was a mistake. I definitely need to resume my previous level of attention dedicated to the upcoming game. Definitely.

I'm reminded, very painfully, of the E3 demo for Oblivion. You know, the one that wasn't recorded, then showed up on the internet in a series of 10-minute-or-so clips? Yeah. I remember watching that, thinking: "Wow... why wasn't I shown this earlier? Why was this held back on? This is exactly the kind of thing I need to see to solidify a reason to buy this..."

Of course, I would go on to learn other things through a friend who got the game before I did that shot my dreams to hell, but that's another story.

Bethesda's PR is bad for the same reason their games continue to get "dumbed-down" in the eyes of many: They still keep selling only more and more games, not less. We have our complaints, we make them known (Oh, boy do we ever make the me known. ), but do enough of us decide to tell Bethesda to kiss our collective rear ends and spend our money on something else? No. The majority of TES fans devour new installments like it's pancakes covered in bacon and crack.

That said, I personally feel I've seen enough game-play and learned enough info to look forward to Skyrim's release, which will of course be shortly followed by about 1,500 Let's Plays on YouTube, at which point we'll all have the ability to learn about absolutely anything we could possibly think is stupid and ruin our desire for the game.

And yes, I freely admit, and wholeheartedly agree, that that is not the optimal time for us to be learning such things. But it benefits Bethesda, and so it shall be. Don't like it? Vote with your dollars, just like I will if I don't like what they're serving this time.

Still haven't played Oblivion to this day, not likely to ever do so.

May Skyrim not follow that trend. It's all I can hope for.

It was based on a reasonable assumption. To most people "public demo" means that it will be shown to the general public, and it's not unreasonable to assume that it might be released online as well, or at least that they wouldn't keep people from recording it and sharing it with others. To Bethesda it means showing the same demo to a restricted audience that is not the press.

I completely get what you're saying, and it would be wrong for Bethesda to take away that 'big shot' that these events can promote. However, they could at least give us some, or even a tiny taste of new info to satisfy the fans who can't be there but would really like to. Also if they were going to release any info, or a new trailer, or screens anything WHY DONT THEY JUST TELL US WHEN THEY PLAN TO DO THAT? :facepalm:

Well, I suppose that's OK, then. :vaultboy:

It's been ok for years and it seems to have worked rather well. :shrug:

well said

Wow... some serious angst here. Just going to summarize a bit what I've sifted out of nearly 300 posts on this..

Bethesda rep said there would be some "surprises" found within the content of the Skyrim presentation at QuakeCon. Nowhere did they say, it would be live streamed or recorded for e- distribution, and this was clarified today. Seems to have been a lot of assumption as to there being a live feed, which is understandable. There has been zero qualitative new info about skyrim since E-3, the questionaire being a trifle thrown out to us at best. Many folks here are starving for info. Hell, when we start talking about whether the Hero of Skyrim will be wearing diapers for underwear again ala Oblivion, you know we've hit bottom. So yeah, the angst is justified, but probably not quenchable beyond a temporary fix. NO permanent repair til game release day.


So do we really think that Bethesda is just going to play Skyrim on a PC for 90 minutes, while Todd ad libs over it again? Seriously doubt that, it will likely be a chaptered presentation, highlighting various aspects of the game, that will hopefully be both informative and attractive for potential consumers. Sure some of it will repeat info from E3, but there will be more FRESH content, and I'm not talking about something mundane like a slide show of unseen screen grabs either, or a talking heads panel discussion. I'm sure we could speculate what might or should be be included, but that's not the topic here. My point is that whatever is in these info chapters ( talking points) has likely received some type of production value similar to what was officially released to the press at E3. The likelihood that Bethesda would go through the time and expense to produce these pre-recorded features and then not use them at some later point before Nov 11 is nil. It's all part of their marketing plan, whether we like its pacing of distribution or not. Face it, fans here; Bethesda has already got us, they're looking at the rest of the market, and how best to connect with them. We' will see the new material, (maybe not all of it mind you) but on their timeline, and with that company goal in mind.

Some say patience is a virtue - others just don't have the time.... Out

I wasn't quite sure how to respond to Summer's post (It makes sense, but I still want to irrationally complain. ), but this kind of does it. Most importantly, I'd like to say that I've probably convinced myself to be as upset as I am, to some degree, and I really just want to see a bit of footage of my version of the game. What made me think QuakeCon would have possibly given me that is unknown, to me, but that's simply it. I just want to get some proof that Bethesda cares about my platform enough to optimize it well enough to run and look great on my platform, and nothing else, to be happy. Again, I'm not sure why my anger over that transferred over to whatever's going on with QuakeCon, but it did, I'm still disappointed that they can't tell us when we are actually going to get something, and I still don't understand why they're being so secretive about specific things. Why can't they can't give us accurate estimates of their plans, or quell some of these concerns. My own concern is probably a bit more irrational than it should be, but it's eating away at me and I just want some reassurance, with evidence, from Bethesda to put it to rest. They seem so detached and uncaring. :confused:

You and I clearly have different perspectives on what works well.

I understand what they're doing, but I can't help but feel we're getting the short end of the stick. They should have specified right off the bat that it wasn't going to be streamed. They shouldn't have hyped it on these forums when about 3 people out of the hundreds on here can actually attend.

This is why I don't care too much. I'd love to see the demo, but it's not like we won't learn what happened.




Same as above.



I understand where you're coming from, but why is this so bad? Maybe the demo is showing something they want to keep a secret from most people. It's ok, man. I've been to Texas in July. Way too hot to go.

Yes, and I'm certain the questions will not be deflected with non-commital answers boiling down to "we're not talking about that yet."

Haha, and this is that straw? Are you serious?

Even though merged armor and countless other streamlined "features" have been confirmed, not having an online stream of some event where they'll probably show the same demo as E3 is the last straw?

Talk about a mob mentality. I'm willing to bet most of you don't even care about this and are just jumping on the rage bandwagon out of boredom.

:facepalm:

It would be nice to have an offically released clip or two from QuakeCon ... maybe some character creation. I have already pre-ordered, so not seeing any more footage is not going to change my mind.

Actually, today my area is the hottest place in the world due to some odd heat dome.
By asking me 'why it's so bad' shows that you actually don't understand where I'm coming from.

The story with the donkey, for those of you unaware, goes like so. A man had his donkey carry tons of things, and he was walking fine. Then the man put a single piece of straw on the back of the donkey, and his back snapped.

Bethesda is the man, we are the donkey, and the straw and luggage is bethesda's horrid PR.

It isn't the QuakeCon thing specifically, it's that on top of everything else.




Yes, the straw is a very minor item that doesn't matter much on it's own. Same with this QuakeCon thing. It doesn;t matter one bit on it's own. It's that on top of the other things you've mentioned that push it over the edge.

The straw isn't supposed to be some huge thing. That's why it applies so well.
:facepalm:

You don't think Skyrim will launch on 11.11.11?