Question about Dunmer and Slavery

Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:51 pm

I never played Morrowind (in fact the only TES game I've played is Oblivion), but I need to know for...various reasons, a few things about slavery in Morrowind.

From what I've been able to gather, Khajiit and Argonians were the most common slaves, but were there slaves of other races? And most importantly, were other Dunmer made into slaves?

I poked around UESP, but couldn't find a clear answer on this point.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:42 am

Without spoiling a certain quest, yes, all races can be enslaved. Hell, there's a slave market in a Telvanni town, in which you can buy each race.

Also, I'm a Saxhleel (argonian) Telvanni magister, who has a lot of other argonians and khajiit locked up in the bottom on my tower, with slaves of every race.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:20 pm

Without spoiling a certain quest, yes, all races can be enslaved. Hell, there's a slave market in a Telvanni town, in which you can buy each race.

Also, I'm a Saxhleel (argonian) Telvanni magister, who has a lot of other argonians and khajiit locked up in the bottom on my tower, with slaves of every race.

Oh, this isn't for playing Morrowind (I have no plans on ever playing Morrowind), but I'm working up a backstory for a new Oblivion character and wanted to make sure I didn't horrifically violate the lore.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:03 pm

...ugh...Play Morrowind. It's extremely cheap to buy these days, and it's a much more fulfilling game than Oblivion. If you can get passed the combat system, it's very much superior to OB in most respects. Plus, nearly every PC can run it quite well, with mods too.

But yes, it seems any race can be a slave in Morrowind, and ONLY Morrowind. Slavery is illegal everywhere else.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:32 pm

That is all completely irrelevant. I am not going to play Morrowind not because I can't afford it, or couldn't play it on my PC, but because I have no interest in playing it.

I just needed to make sure that there were Dunmer slaves in Morrowind, so this character's family backstory makes sense.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:21 pm

I never did get how you could enslave just anyone. Wouldnt it make it much more difficult than just enslaving people who look different? If its just people who look different, it makes it hard for them to get away. If a slave in morrowind escaped, he could just pretend like he was free the whole time.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:24 am

I never did get how you could enslave just anyone. Wouldnt it make it much more difficult than just enslaving people who look different? If its just people who look different, it makes it hard for them to get away. If a slave in morrowind escaped, he could just pretend like he was free the whole time.

Not to get too much into the topic (this really isn't the place for it) but slavery as practiced in the "New World" from the 17th century onwards was different in a number of ways from how it was traditionally done in ancient times, where very frequently slaves did not look notably different from their masters.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:35 pm

...ugh...Play Morrowind. It's extremely cheap to buy these days, and it's a much more fulfilling game than Oblivion. If you can get passed the combat system, it's very much superior to OB in most respects. Plus, nearly every PC can run it quite well, with mods too.

But yes, it seems any race can be a slave in Morrowind, and ONLY Morrowind. Slavery is illegal everywhere else.
Hammerfell seems to have slavery too.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:35 pm

Hammerfell seems to have slavery too.
Source?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:36 am

I never did get how you could enslave just anyone. Wouldnt it make it much more difficult than just enslaving people who look different? If its just people who look different, it makes it hard for them to get away. If a slave in morrowind escaped, he could just pretend like he was free the whole time.

Argonians and Khajiit are often free citizens in Morrowind too. So that wouldn't really count. Still you can't unlock the slave bracers without the key (most be something magical to them) meaning no slave could escape unless the key was stolen/master killed key taken or alternatively set free... It's not like they can just run away and never be recognized again..
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 12:52 pm

I think they probably had some semblance of historic reallife laws. Criminals. Bankrupts. Head shaved, teeth pulled, and thrown into the quarry. Difficult not to recognize a prisoner-slave. Probably easier to mistake some poor bloke suffering a really bad prank.

ebony's pretty profitable. And so are kwama. They're butts are their mouths are their babymakers are their teeth. It's crazy.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:51 pm

Source?

"Strong empathy for the woods and fields, and was wont to escape her household duties to wander there.Barenziah was happy and content until her sixteenth year, when a wicked orphan stable boy whom she had befriended out of pity told her that he had overheard a conspiracy of her dear guardian. Baron Sven, said the boy, had dealt with a http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Redguard visitor to sell her as a concubine in Rihad, as no http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord or http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Breton would marry her on account of her black skin, and no dark elf would have her because of her foreign upbringing."

"With Redguard, you only played a Redguard. Couldnt play another race. Well, another case of "an action/adventure game", so alternate rules applied. Of course, Redguard was the game that initially hinted on at the slavery and multiple beast breeds, so it was a stepping stone game. It was a good build up to the deeper stuff within the TES universe. And trust me, it gets so much deeper that decades of games will need to be made to find out more and more of the dirt within Tamriel."

"This vanguard "warrior wave" of Yokudans, the Ra Gada, swept into the country, quickly slaughtering and enslaving the beastfolk and Nedic villagers before them, bloodily paving the way for their people who waited at Herne, including the Na-Totambu, their kings and ruling bodies".

It further strengthens the idea that slavery was a continued practice in Hammerfell.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:41 pm

I wouldn't say that the first quote implies slavery, especially given that it was a made up threat to scare Barenziah. 2920 acctually features these concubines, and they are more of a priestly order than they are six slaves. The second quote is in regards to the Origin of Cyrus comic, which shows Cyrus rescuing slaves in Morrowind. The last is way ancient.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:35 am

Oh, this isn't for playing Morrowind (I have no plans on ever playing Morrowind), but I'm working up a backstory for a new Oblivion character and wanted to make sure I didn't horrifically violate the lore.
why are you not playing Skyrim?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:01 am

why are you not playing Skyrim?

Because I waited five years to play Oblivion. I'm in no rush to play Skyrim.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:20 pm

...ugh...Play Morrowind. It's extremely cheap to buy these days, and it's a much more fulfilling game than Oblivion. If you can get passed the combat system, it's very much superior to OB in most respects. Plus, nearly every PC can run it quite well, with mods too.

But yes, it seems any race can be a slave in Morrowind, and ONLY Morrowind. Slavery is illegal everywhere else.

When I played Morrowind, I never had such an experience.
Suddenly there were no walls. Suddenly I could do whatever I could imagine the system allowed.
It was, as I said to people I tried to enthuse, like I played a game made by people who love games, instead of people who love money.
I could write an actual entire page about what Morrowind did well and later installments did not.
The best example however is this:
In Morrowind I could permanently make peaceful a hostile Ashlander by calming him and getting his disposition to 100. Perfect for a diplomat Nerevarine.
Try that with the Forsworn.

This freedom is wholly lost.
Skyrim is just a game like all the others.
Its not a world anymore, its a linear game you play how you are told how to play.

At this point I love the lore. The games are secondary to me, because since Oblivion they really are not that good.
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