Sure, he unified tamriel and founded the empire, but how do we know we actually became a god? Did someone appear and tell everyone to build talos shrines and statues after his death or something? We know that it is true, because the blood on his armor from oblivion worked as blood of a god, but where is the proof for the normal person? He was a great man sure, but did he really become a god to the average person?

Well there is the blessing from his shrines, people that pray to Talos get the same protection from disease as anybody else that prays to other shrines. As it goes that's essentially all the proof anybody has of any of the aedra other then their "planets" and Akatosh's Avatar/Statue in Cyrodiil.

In Oblivion, Martin needed the Blood of a Divine. Tiber Septim's Armor provided the blood, and it worked.

Yeah, I said that in the OP. But what about the average person, and right after Talos died?

i think thats a really existential question. and why people who dont believe in the divines worship daedra instead because they can be seen.

What he did was mantle an existing god, he walked the walk of the god until the god had to walk like him.

Mind that Talos is not Tiber Septim, though Tiber Septim is Talos.
Talos is a conglomerate of at least three people.

Their life story, the narrative of it, so closely resembled the story of creation, specifically Lorkhan's path, that they are indistinguisable.
They are the same, but for size and this causes the personas involved to be the same.
It is called the walking way.
Tiber Septim, Zurin Arctus and the others are the enantiomorph of Lorkhan, a term from chemistry that means mirror image.

:teehee: I read your post and I really didn't even register that you said that! So, obviously I really am not at my best right now, and I have no clue how to answer!

There are after all other mortals whom also became gods, notably Mannimarco and the Champion of the Shivering Isles/Cyrodiil. Mannimarco's godhood can only be tested through the creation of black soul gems, The Godhood of the Champion of the Shivering Isles/Cyrodiil is the most easily tested of all ascended mortals tho but to explain why is rather a spoiler for the Oblivion expansion, The Shivering Isles.

For more information on men becoming gods see Jesus. Funny how worshipping Tallos gives no bonus. HaHa!

... Yes I'm a Deadric worshipper.

Yup, receiving his blessing is simply a proof. I don't get the reasoning why Empire would forbid his Worship. I have read the ingame book which implied to: too much worshipping towards him caused lack of worship/interest to other deities etc etc. Somehow flawed logic or I dont get it..
Lorewise, I'm also curious whether if a lack of worship or worshippers would kill a deity?

No, this isn't D&D, Gods aren't the result of all prayer by mortals to themselves. The only thing that could potentially out-right kill a god is Sithis/Padamay or Anu, Else wise the best that could be done is a curse placed on a god that changes hem as what happened to Jyggalag. Aedra are only able to die because they gave their power to the creation of Nirn, so if a god willingly gave up their power it maybe possible but even then Lorkhan/Shor now just rules over a new realm of his own, Soverngarde.

To this end, even lower Aedra and Deadra can not be out-right killed, they all come back after some duration of time as their souls go to Oblivion. This is why the dragonborn is required to kill dragons as they're the children of Akatosh and thus really lower Aedra, the dragon born can absorb their souls instead of the souls returning to Oblivion.

Thanks for clarification!

The Thalmor wish to erase Talos from the mythic because Talos is a fortification of Convention.
His presence re-enforces the Spokes of the Wheel that is the world.

The Thalmor wish ultimately to escape the world by returning to the divine, to Anu, to endless possibility.
The elves mythic view of the world is that it is a trap, and Lorkhan their jailor.
The Dwemer tried (and failed) to do the exact same thing, only they tried it by all becoming one with a big stompy robot.
The Thalmor wish to uncoil the Dragon, to end linear time. They seek to escape the world by destroying it.

The first step on that path is to remove Talos-who-is-Lorkhan from the mythic awareness of the world, so his protection of it is weakened.
To do that they must end belief in Talos.
The next step is to kill all mannish races, to ensure He can never return.

"What appears to be an Altmeri commentary on Talos:

To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.

To achieve this goal, we must:

1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.

2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.

3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit."

Source: Imperial Library

I've got my head on backwards today, but I can tell you that Jesus didn't wake up one day to find he just happened to be God. He didn't 'become' God through things he did. He was always God. Immaculate conception, three wiseguys and weird gifts in a manger, Bing Crosby beating his kids, Santa Claus getting frequent-flyer miles, etc etc. In other words: Christmas. Divine from birth. Unless of course, you believe in Judaism, in which case Christmas means you only get to experience the Bing Crosby bit

All hail talos! -crazy guy in whiterun at talos shrine.

Cheers

It does, even though it says 0% if you look at the cooldowns for your shouts their shorter.

Since R3sistance pointed out that only Sithis and Anu can kill a god. Even if Elves eradicate all mankind or everything that is an obstacle to their ascendance how will they eradicate the greatest obstacle; Talos?

I'm pretty sure the Dunmer have an independent view on Lorkhan from the Aldmeri, the Orcs (also technical elves) also have their own set of gods/lores separate from the aldmeri and high elves. And the Aylieds or Heartland Elves were Deadra worshipers, I don't think they believed in the Aedra at all, tho I could be wrong on that one.

The Thalmor don't want Talos worship because they're jealous a man became a god, but an elf hasn't.

Lorkhan is dead, but even dead gods can dream.
Death for a god is not the same as death for a mortal.

The goal of the Thalmor is not to kill Talos, as such, but to remove him from the mythic.
From the awareness, the thoughts and faith of the subgradient, the mortal realm.
Their belief in Talos-who-is-Lorkhan strengthens the creation of Lorkhan, the Mundus, the world.

Anu and Padomay are forces, not beings.
They are the no and the yes, the void and the possibility, the negation and the affirmation.
The interplay between them created the Et'Ada, who got divided into Aedra, Daedra and Magna-Ge, but they have no personality or awareness of their own.

Wrong, Mannimarco became a god and he was an Altmer. I believe Mannimarco's realm orbits Arkay, also don't get confused by Oblivion, there are two Mannimarco's which were original one, they split into two before Oblivion occurs.

There is also Phinaster, an Aldmer who ascended to godhood. It had to do with inventing a new way of walking, with measured steps, that Im sure is a methaphor of some sort.

Merrari thanks for all the info and your patience. I understand that Talos cannot die but can be weakned by lack belief aka oblivion. But why would Ehlnofey(Altmer) want Lorkhan back as Lorkhan is the reason for their mortality from the start?
Would Lorkhan having back the mantle going create a disruption in Wheel of the Convention for elves to ascend?

They are not going to get Lorkhan back, the removal of Talos from the pantheon of the worshiped divines does not mean Lorkhan will take his place.
The Thalmor, a political faction of the Altmer, are trying to end linear time and destroy the world in order to return to the endless possibility that was before.

The Aedra created the world when Lorkhan convinced (or tricked) them to do so.
They poured a lot of themselves into this project. Some were dissolved forever and some, the strongest, became eternally bound to it.
The elves believe Lorkhan is a trickster. They believe that they are what is left of divine beings who were dissolved into the Mundus, to create it.
They seek to return to this divine state.
The Thalmor are trying to do so by destroying linear time, so they can go back to the Dawn.

Lorkhan is a dead god, but his shade(s) still walk the world as he dreams.
The life story of Tiber, Zurin and a few others so closely mimicked the story of creation that they became Talos.
You can see Talos as a mirror-brother of Lorkhan. He fortifies creation by existing, by repeating the pattern.

Also I guess the Champion of the Shivering Isles/Cyrodiil is whatever race one would like to think of them as being/played them as in Oblivion. So he/she could technically also be an elf but in the end they're completely unrecognizable to what they once were...



From what I'm to understand Anu and Padomay are personifications of the forces of statis and change respectively and Sithis is just the name the Dark Brotherhood gives Padomay. Padomay is the change that allowed for the possibility of creation from the stasis that is Anu to which their interplay over the matter lead to the creation of Oblivion and Aetherius. The first real being of any significance on the scene is the God Akatosh who represent time and his time allowed for to ascension of the other aedra and deadra.

Lorkhan however maybe different, as he is consider to be the son of Padomay.

There are a couple of former mortal who achieved apotheosis to become gods, Talos, Mannimarco and the Hero of the Shivering Isles are probably the most notable examples but there are others as well who have achieved this.

That's about as much as I know about the creation of the gods.

Edit: slowly fixing grammar and spelling