Ok, so we all know they are considered Daedra, right?

When oblivion gates open, Flame atronaches and storm atronaches come out of the gates. Not frost ones.

And then when you go into a gate, all you can find is Flame atronaches.

So why can't you find Storm and Frost inside a gate when they're all daedra?

Not all daedra work for everyone at any given time. If you aren't finding ice atronachs in Dagon's area there, he probably didn't hire them or work out a proper contract with their union. You'll also notice he couldn't get the Herne or the Morphoids to work for him in Oblivion either.

They're leveled. First you'll be seeing flame ones, then frost ones, then finally you'll bew encountering the storm ones.

I'm still in denial about that, actually. Call me old fashioned, but they were better and more interesting as wizard-made elemental golems :shrug:

Game mechanics, they just didn't spawn inside the gate.

I totally agree, but I'm not in denial. There would be too much to deny if I was in denial.

Why don't you find every single Daedra that exists all at once once you enter a gate?

Gameplay mechanics, for one; also, Daedra have some freedom within their realms and may simply be elsewhere or doing something else when you show up.

...sarcasm.

I've actually seen all three types of atronaches (is that actually the correct spelling, with an "e" there at the end? Someone correct me if I'm wrong!) in and around the Oblivion gates. It could be what others have said; perhaps you just aren't a high enough level yet? I'm not using any mods that change leveled lists, so I know that's not affecting anything, and according to The Official Game Guide, all the different types of atronach can spawn in and around Oblivion gates. Then again, it's been wrong before...

Golems are monstrous servants created out of a material of some kind, and antronachs (I'm pretty sure that the word is pronounced 'atronock' or 'atronack'...) are made from elemental magicks. Therefore, you have Fire, Storm, and Frost Atronachs, and Earth, Stone, and other Material Golems. This means that technically Flesh Atronachs and Bonewalkers should be considered Flesh Golems are something similar.

As far as them being Daedra goes, they are nonmortal entities - that's it. The fact that they are not bound to any one Daedric Prince is alludes to this relationship and classification.

Btw, this is all speculation on my part, but this reasoning makes sense to me. I would like a Lore-buff to refute/legitimize my speculations... Thanks. Hope this clears up some stuff...



ish. Depends on which game you're playing - MW= you're right. OB= you're wrong (Flame, then Storm, then Frost)

I'm with you, man. That's what I'd like to believe as well, but I have no proof. It makes me sad that they're classified as Daedra, but maybe someone in Tamriel mis-classified them, and it stuck (there's some free weasle-lore for you, Bethesda!)?

Oh, and about the order of atronachs in Oblivion...is that really correct? According to the Prima Official Game Guide, it goes Flame (can appear once your character is level 7), Frost (level 13), and Storm (level 17), with some other Daedra mixed in between. The Official Game Guide is certainly not infallible, but that line-up has been my experience for all my time playing Oblivion (though my experience with the game is far from becoming canon!).

I have never met a Frost Atronach inside an Oblivion gate (and I've played more OB than MW), and the first time I played thru OB, the first Frost Atronach I ever had seen was in Camaron's Paradise - at level 20, I think. That's been my experience.

It may be that Frost Atronachs only spawn in certain places in OB, and therefore one comes across them so infrequently that they seem to be higher level creatures... I'll check the CS and get back to ya on that...

In battlespire they were definitely daedra, not that much different from any of the other kinds other than them being either burning or freezing.

There weren't any Atronachs in Battlespire.

There were Fire and Frost Daedra, which are different. Similar, being elemental Daedra, but definately not the same.

Yes, there were frost atronauchs in Dagon's realm. They were also summons of the Dremora.

The concept (of everything) has changed so much, The Golem was the name of the The Atronauch birthsign in Daggerfall. The terminology matters not.

What Atronach birthsign in Daggerfall? There wasn't one, or a Golem birthsign.

I know that The Golem is the sign in Redguard's rhyme, but I thought for sure it was used before that :shrug:

There weren't any signs in Daggerfall, were there :facepalm:

I've always thought they were the same, just that bethesda decided to change their names.

You have to be in the Oblivion gates at the right level. They are definitely there, and they spawn at the usual spawn points. But they're only there for a few levels, then they get replaced by Storm Atronachs.

That would explain it. I always figured that they were supposed to be higher leveled because I found quite a few in Mankar's Paradise, but whatevs. :shrug:

There's plenty evidence to the contrary.

1) Both are present in Daggerfall. (Okay, not many Atronatchs, since they have Golems filling that niche, but you can pick up a soul gem containing an Air Atronatch even though said creature isn't in-game.)
2) Fire/Frost Daedra use weapons and armour. Atronatchs do not.
3) There is no Storm Daedra, only a Storm Atronatch. (Okay, so that's reaching.)
4) Just because there aren't Fire/Frost Daedra in later games doesn't mean that they're replaced. Think of the Lamias, Centaurs, Nymphs, Harpies, Dragonlings....etc.....


So yeah.

No birthsigns, but there were constellations.

On that first one, Atronachs were never refered to as Golems in Daggerfall. There were golems in Arena, but no Atronachs (by title only). Morrowind combined the daedra and the atronachs together, so after that game came out the atronachs in Daggerfall were nicknamed golems and the actual fire and frost daedra were removed.