Cyrodiil landscape used to be jungle but later changed by Tiber Septim using CHIM right? If so how come no one seems to notice that the landscape has changed? Or does everyone notice but it was just not mentioned ingame except by Heimskr?

They noticed it an rejoiced, but the people of Tamriel have had hundreds of years to get used to it so they pretty much have. Old news and all plus the commoners might not even remember a time when it wasn't the way it is now.

It's not a huge deal anyways since there's loads of forest. If Cyrodiil was changed to a desert or something, there'd probably be more interest on the subject. Jungles and Forests are almost the same thing, right?

Alright thanks, how come it was not mentioned in the brief history of empire though?

The better question would be what happened to the Imperial City? why was Sutch whiped off the map? and what happened to the culture and politics?

However, things would have been alot different had it stayed the old way, so I'd say its a pretty huge difference between jungle and forest.



Brief History predates Beth's retcon, which doesn't come around until Oblivion. Up until then, as far as we knew, Cyrodiil was still a jungle.

It's different jungle is untamed and is hard to navigate, forest on the other hand is not.



What's sutch? but by the time Brief history is written, Tiber has already changed it right? It was written after Tiber became Emperor after all and when did exactly Tiber changed the landscape?

To my knowledge Sutch was a colovian city, that for some reason turned out to be just a fort in the actual Oblivion game. My guess is that it simply shrank in untill only old sick Roderick was left... and now that he is dead, the fort itself will surely disappear aswell.

Strange, alright thanks.

Brief History was introduced in Daggerfall, the change didn't come to light until Oblivion. So yeah, the retcon means Cyrodiil has been a forest in every game except for Redguard and in universe it was when Brief History was written. It doesn't mention it, however, because when the books were introduced Cyrodiil was still a jungle.

Sutch was a Colovian City that just disappeared, along with alot of other things with the introduction of Oblivion.

What about in arena?

But lore-wise Tiber Septim change it during his reign right?

Arena was during the time of the last Uriel, so yeah, forest.

and aye, Tiber supposedly changed it after his victory over Alinor.

So during arena in-game Cyrodiil is forest? That means they changed the lore on daggerfall and not Oblivion then?

No, they changed the lore on Morrowind and Daggerfall. Arena was more like the base upon which the series was built, there wasn't much history or aanything as of Arena. Lore didn't start developing until after the game and the most info we got about Cyrodiil came in the 1st pge with Redguard. So, up until Oblivion Cyrodiil was a jungle. Oblivion comes around and MK writes Red King Once Jungled to justify Beths lack of adherence to the only source of lore we had on Cyrodiil.

I haven't played Arena so I could tell you 'in game' but from what I understood Arena was just random nothingness.

I think they changed it...right after Morrowind. First Pocket guide was made for Redguard I believe, so I would assume that it was their vision of Cyrodiil at that time, and extends it to Morrowind to a certain degree.

Alright, thanks everyone.

I wouldn't say it that way at all.

I'd say:

Cyrodiil was at first forest in Arena, and then with Redguard; Kurt Kuhlman and Michael Kirkbride repaired the lack of lore for the province and turned a large part of it into jungle (though they left Colovia untouched as deciduous forest), and then with Oblivion the province was reestablished by the developers as one of deciduous forest, although arguably they left the Blackwood region in a jungled state.