Question about the tribunal : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 18, 2010 11:51 pm

I was thinking.

When dagoth ur awakened the tribunal came to red mountain and defeated him, and got there weekly feeling of the heart power.

In those years why didn't the tribunal relise that dagoth ur could become a threat and move the heart to vivec in one of there campaigns?

So my qouestion is:

Is the heart somehow bound to Dagoth ur(the place not the god)?

» Tue May 18, 2010 5:03 pm

I guess you mean bound to Red Mountain.

Well it 'fell' there apparently - since then maybe the heart has sorta grown attached to the old volcano - at least its warm

» Tue May 18, 2010 8:50 pm

I think that they didn't do that 'cause they wanted to ~~have a storyline~~ meet the nerevarine

» Wed May 19, 2010 6:34 am

It's a spike of unassailable reality. It is one of the mythical landmarks that hold the present existence together.

Red Mountain itself is one of these spikes, and the Heart was what made it so. Mythically speaking, a mountain can do that.

» Tue May 18, 2010 4:33 pm

In those years why didn't the tribunal relise that dagoth ur could become a threat and move the heart to vivec in one of there campaigns?

Even if they could move the heart, how were they to know that someone they thought was dead would come back like Dagoth Ur did?

» Wed May 19, 2010 12:06 am

Even if they could move the heart, how were they to know that someone they thought was dead would come back like Dagoth Ur did?

During there campaigns he attacked them many times, they knew he was back.

» Tue May 18, 2010 11:33 pm

Yes but by that point it was too late. They had lost the tools during those attacks, and didn't have access to the heart anymore.

Once Dagoth Ur woke up it was too late to do anything with the heart. Again assuming it could be moved, which it can't.

» Wed May 19, 2010 2:54 am

Yes but by that point it was too late. They had lost the tools during those attacks, and didn't have access to the heart anymore.

Once Dagoth Ur woke up it was too late to do anything with the heart. Again assuming it could be moved, which it can't.

In each campaign they met and killed dagoth ur.

This was written in one of the notes behind vehk.

» Tue May 18, 2010 9:05 pm

...Are you sure???

I'm kinda ignorant to Morrowind-related texts right now, but...that doesn't sound right...

I'm confident that, after losing the tools, Ur was techincally more powerful.

edit: http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/dagoth_defeat.shtml

Dagoth Ur had survived our attacks, and without the tools, in a manner not well understood, Dagoth Ur also managed to establish a connection with the Heart and to transform himself into an immortal being.

Got a text you would like to bring up?

» Tue May 18, 2010 6:06 pm

...Are you sure???

I'm kinda ignorant to Morrowind-related texts right now, but...that doesn't sound right...

I'm confident that, after losing the tools, Ur was techincally more powerful.

edit: http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/dagoth_defeat.shtml

Dagoth Ur had survived our attacks, and without the tools, in a manner not well understood, Dagoth Ur also managed to establish a connection with the Heart and to transform himself into an immortal being.

Got a text you would like to bring up?

Sorry i must have read that bit wrong ^_^

This might be my que to leave before i embaress myself further...*Runs*

» Tue May 18, 2010 9:36 pm

No worries.

» Wed May 19, 2010 2:53 am

No, in each campaign they seemed to kill the Ash Vampires, Ur's brothers, but they kept on coming back.

» Tue May 18, 2010 8:57 pm

...Are you sure???

I'm kinda ignorant to Morrowind-related texts right now, but...that doesn't sound right...

I'm confident that, after losing the tools, Ur was techincally more powerful.

edit: http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/dagoth_defeat.shtml

Dagoth Ur had survived our attacks, and without the tools, in a manner not well understood, Dagoth Ur also managed to establish a connection with the Heart and to transform himself into an immortal being.

Got a text you would like to bring up?

That's referring to their original attack, not the seasonal campaigns, I should think.

» Wed May 19, 2010 8:25 am

Well, it does say "attacks," which prompted me to use the text in the first place.

» Wed May 19, 2010 7:36 am

That's referring to their original attack, not the seasonal campaigns, I should think.

You are correct. The Tribunal attacked and killed Dagoth Ur in their campaigns various time, however they did fail the first time back during the Battle of Red Mountain...

Well, it does say "attacks," which prompted me to use the text in the first place.

Yes, but it's referring to 'attacks' that happened before the Tribunal established their own connection...

» Wed May 19, 2010 6:30 am

You are correct. The Tribunal attacked and killed Dagoth Ur in their campaigns various time, however they did fail the first time back during the Battle of Red Mountain...

What text says they killed him?

» Wed May 19, 2010 8:46 am

What text says they killed him?

Its not a text, its Vivec's in-game dialogue:

"In the past, the Tribunal made seasonal campaigns to Red Mountain. We slew Dagoth Ur and his kin, though the Heart always revived them in time. Later, when we realized we couldn't destroy them, we created the Ghostfence to contain the threat."

--Vivec