[Thema]

Everyone knows that the forums have gotten more and more pessimistic since January. Many people still love what they have heard, myself included. But there are a lot of people that are angry at the things Bethesda left out of Skyrim, and sometimes they even have good reasons.

Being around since before the announcement of Skyrim, and hanging around the Elder Scrolls General Discussion forums for roughly half a year, It was hard not to notice the majority of Oblivion bashing forumers.

I personally love Oblivion and it was a huge step up for me from Morrowind, which I did not understand at the time but still loved (being 8 years old.) I now play Morrowind as intelligently as anyone and I love it almost as much as I love Oblivion. But it still remains that most people on the forums were disappointed with Oblivion.

My question is, were people as unhappy about the information on Oblivion as they are now about the information on Skyrim? If you weren't on the forums at that time then don't try and guess please. I also don't need anyone saying how they loved Oblivion and are looking forward to Skyrim, I am in that boat as well.

So, any thoughts?

[FITTAS]

I wasn't a member then, but I still visited the forums. It started even before Oblivion with the Daggerfall vets upset over the things that got cut in Morrowind. It's a never ending cycle.

[Irmacuba]

Everyone knows that the forums have gotten more and more pessimistic since January. Many people still love what they have heard, myself included. But there are a lot of people that are angry at the things Bethesda left out of Skyrim, and sometimes they even have good reasons.

Being around since before the announcement of Skyrim, and hanging around the Elder Scrolls General Discussion forums for roughly half a year, It was hard not to notice the majority of Oblivion bashing forumers.

I personally love Oblivion and it was a huge step up for me from Morrowind, which I did not understand at the time but still loved (being 8 years old.) I now play Morrowind as intelligently as anyone and I love it almost as much as I love Oblivion. But it still remains that most people on the forums were disappointed with Oblivion.

My question is, were people as unhappy about the information on Oblivion as they are now about the information on Skyrim? If you weren't on the forums at that time then don't try and guess please. I also don't need anyone saying how they loved Oblivion and are looking forward to Skyrim, I am in that boat as well.

So, any thoughts?

Yes they were just as unhappy.

[Emily Jeffs]

I wasn't a member then, but I still visited the forums. It started even before Oblivion with the Daggerfall vets upset over the things that got cut in Morrowind. It's a never ending cycle.

Yep. When I first joined, someone posted something very very interesting: a old thread from a old forum of ES goers before Morrowind came out. It was amazing seeing everyone bashing Morrowind and saying Daggerfall was the greatest game on earth. Sound familiar?

Wish I could find that topic though :confused:

[Marcus Jordan]

I wasn't a member then, but I still visited the forums. It started even before Oblivion with the Daggerfall vets upset over the things that got cut in Morrowind. It's a never ending cycle.

Yeah, I heard about that. I bet there weren't many people saying Daggerfall ruined what Arena started, though

Were people more angry then than they are now? For Oblivion or for Morrowind?

[Quick draw II]

I wasnt around at the time but I can understand their disappointement towards Oblivion. Especially after it released. Oblivion had the same direction as Skyrim. Streamlined, accessible and dumbed down which are the main reasons people (me included) are unhappy now. It had less depth, complexity etc compared to Morrowind despite improving on some areas. I played Morrowind after Oblivion and thought it was a million times better. With mods Oblivion is about as good but without mods it mustve been a huge disappointment. Never played Daggerfall so cant say anything about that.

Personally I think Skyrim will be better than Oblivion but probably wont go up to Morrowind standards as an rpg. Mods will fix a lot of things but not everything. As an action-adventure Skyrim will be great but as an rpg it couldve been a million times better.

[Jaki Birch]

Everyone always [censored]es about the next game in the series. It's always been that way.

[lauraa]

They always complain before a new game is released. When the game is released a great number of complainers start to see and apreciate the changes. The other 1/4 get mods to fix what they wanted so badly.

[louise hamilton]

A vocal minority will always have something to complain about. For any given announcement/reveal Bethesda makes, some people will be upset and a thread will be created. Personally I have complete confidence in Bethesda; I've played several of their games and thoroughly enjoyed each one. Did I want/expect everything that Beth has announced so far? Not necessarily. But I know the game will be great and that's all that matters to me at the end of the day. Some people here get caught up in the little things and may miss out on a great experience as a result.

[Jade]

Oh it was a long time ago. But i remember going online to see the forum like 50 times a day ( like now :hubbahubba: ) but 4-6 months before the release some info got out that really pissed me off and i just stopped being interested until the release. I don't remember exactly what this thing was, hell i don't remember my original account

[Spencey!]

I started with daggerfall, then went to ummmm I forget, then went to Arena and then morrowind...

yeah it was kind of off even then when oblivio nstarted.

Now I enjoy each game for what their worth, there are things I dont like about skyrim.

however I've yet to play it either so whether or not everbody's gripes are well founded or not until the game is released

[Daramis McGee]

I joined in 2008, but I was looking at the forums even before that and yes people were upset with the changes. Although almost no one was bashing the graphics obviously, because it was a huge improvement over Morrowind and the 360/PS3 had just came out.

[Noely Ulloa]

Whatever happened to Captain Eldrad and Soursha?

[James Wilson]

A vocal minority will always have something to complain about. For any given announcement/reveal Bethesda makes, some people will be upset and a thread will be created. Personally I have complete confidence in Bethesda; I've played several of their games and thoroughly enjoyed each one. Did I want/expect everything that Beth has announced so far? Not necessarily. But I know the game will be great and that's all that matters to me at the end of the day. Some people here get caught up in the little things and may miss out on a great experience as a result.

People who dont agree always call it the vocal minority. Sometimes it can be but often its not. The people who were disappointed at Dragon Age 2 were called a vocal minority. Yet every poll on bioware forums, metacritic and overall reviews on any site that isnt afraid of EA's wrath state otherwise. Before Dragon Age 2's release people were generally optimistic. There were those who were afraid of its direction though. After the release the general opinion changed. Skyrim doesnt look that bad but it has the same principles of development. Streamlining, accessibility and ease of access. Those are the things that ruined the Dragon Age franchise and many other (former) rpgs so naturally I'm very skeptic.

[Hayley Bristow]

People who dont agree always call it the vocal minority. Sometimes it can be but often its not. The people who were disappointed at Dragon Age 2 were called a vocal minority. Yet every poll on bioware forums, metacritic and overall reviews on any site that isnt afraid of EA's wrath state otherwise. Before Dragon Age 2's release people were generally optimistic. There were those who were afraid of its direction though. After the release the general opinion changed. Skyrim doesnt look that bad but it has the same principles of development. Streamlining, accessibility and ease of access. Those are the things that ruined the Dragon Age franchise and many other (former) rpgs so naturally I'm very skeptic.

Judging by how complex crafting sounds, I think otherwise.

[Amy Gibson]

Judging by how complex crafting sounds, I think otherwise.

Crafting alone wont do much. There are some things that sound very nice about Skyrim. Crafting being one of them along with branching quests, npcs having depth etc but that doesnt change the development philosophy. Dragon Age 2 had crafting yet the game was utterly crap. It also had some things it did well but those didnt save it.

[Josh Trembly]

Yeah I remember people loudly complaining about Morrowind being so small, since Daggerfall was basically infinite (even though most of it was autogenerated and repeating), and that it was the amount of square miles alone that determined the quality of the game. The "Cheats, Hints and Spoilers" section and the Mods section are a lot nicer though, but of course they haven't been opened for Skyrim yet.

[hannaH]

People who dont agree always call it the vocal minority. Sometimes it can be but often its not. The people who were disappointed at Dragon Age 2 were called a vocal minority. Yet every poll on bioware forums, metacritic and overall reviews on any site that isnt afraid of EA's wrath state otherwise. Before Dragon Age 2's release people were generally optimistic. There were those who were afraid of its direction though. After the release the general opinion changed. Skyrim doesnt look that bad but it has the same principles of development. Streamlining, accessibility and ease of access. Those are the things that ruined the Dragon Age franchise and many other (former) rpgs so naturally I'm very skeptic.

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Gothic series is included in the same way it was TES only true competition but once Gothic 4 came out it was just......... lets just say TES had one less competitor.

[Céline Rémy]

Crafting alone wont do much. There are some things that sound very nice about Skyrim. Crafting being one of them along with branching quests, npcs having depth etc but that doesnt change the development philosophy. Dragon Age 2 had crafting yet the game was utterly crap. It also had some things it did well but those didnt save it.

Crafting in DA2 wasn't even crafting.

[Scarlet Devil]

Yeah I remember people loudly complaining about Morrowind being so small, since Daggerfall was basically infinite (even though most of it was autogenerated and repeating), and that it was the amount of square miles alone that determined the quality of the game.

Yeah this always happens, quality>quantity.

[Marine x]

People who dont agree always call it the vocal minority. Sometimes it can be but often its not. The people who were disappointed at Dragon Age 2 were called a vocal minority. Yet every poll on bioware forums, metacritic and overall reviews on any site that isnt afraid of EA's wrath state otherwise. Before Dragon Age 2's release people were generally optimistic. There were those who were afraid of its direction though. After the release the general opinion changed. Skyrim doesnt look that bad but it has the same principles of development. Streamlining, accessibility and ease of access. Those are the things that ruined the Dragon Age franchise and many other (former) rpgs so naturally I'm very skeptic.

I can say with full confidence that this MB is not an accurate representation of the average person who will buy Skyrim. Even if a poll on this MB is 60:40 in favor of the "negative" side, I would be STUNNED to find that the majority of people who plan on buying Skyrim agree with the so-called "consensus" here. Hell, I'd be surprised if that sere the case if you even just got an answer from every single registered user here. Threads draw likeminded responses, and people here are far more critical of Beth than the average fan -- or the average reviewer for that matter.

I know what "vocal minority" means and I am certain that what we have here is exactly that.

[Barbequtie]

Crafting in DA2 wasn't even crafting.

Dont get stuck in crafting I'm not talking about that. It looks a million times better in Skyrim yes but its just one thing. I'm talking about the general direction of the game.

[Victoria Bartel]

People are generally biased towards the game they started with in a series.

[Kelly James]

they just need to angry at something

[Lucky Girl]

Dont get stuck in crafting I'm not talking about that. It looks a million times better in Skyrim yes but its just one thing. I'm talking about the general direction of the game.

Okay. Let's talk about dungeons then. Let's assume that Bethesda really does have a larger team of level designers working to make each of the reported 150+ dungeons as unique as possible. DA2 had like 5 dungeon designs that constantly repeated. Thoughts?