So we all know by now that the Greaves + Cuirass are now one armor piece called "Armor" BUT, I have a question, does this mean we cannot use seperate non-armor pants + tops? If so, i'm going to miss my huntsman vest and stuff... :cryvaultboy:

Actually we don't know that. At all. As vsions said, don't assume before you know.

I sure do hope we won't have to visit a tailor just to pair up a decent pair of pants with nice shirt.

Read the first response.

What vsions allures more to different piece of armors being able to be joined and mixed in a crafting system.

Doesn't change my fears.

What he hints at is that don't assume armor is pieced together like we have been assuming.

Here is the link to vsions comment, scroll down to the 13th post.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1205696-what-ashley-cheng-is-saying/

So far there's two full sets of armor missing greaves for no apparent reason, and Ashley circuitously confirming it by mentioning everything that wasn't merged. I don't think Vsions' ambiguous doublespeak changes that.

Nothing is confirmed unless spoken true by a dev, I trust Vsions far more than that Ashley lady.

Ashley is a male Bethesda developer.

nonetheless, it isn't officially confirmed information at this stage. it may be they're trying to get the time for it, and may not have it sorted till later, but if they don't finish it they don't want to specify yet.

Why wouldn't they confirm they are separate? If that was the case, it would go from controversial topic to trivial information. If armor hasn't been merged, then pants existing wouldn't be any different than gloves or shields. If they're still not talking, they either have some feature armor related feature that they aren't ready to talk about, or they changed their minds but want to make sure they adding pants back in in a timely manner is feasible before they want to say anything concrete.

Ashley Cheng has been the lead producer for the Elder Scrolls games. Since Redguard.

:facepalm:

well I just made myself look stupid...

-.-

is he the one who thought joined cuirass and greaves was a good idea? If so i don't care if he made every :tes: hes bad in my book.


But there is still http://i.imgur.com/UzGEE.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/MNsXV.jpg

yea i agree with you
personally i adventure while wearing pants with no shirt, made me feel like a badass lol
but i would also like it if they added http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/september/naxxramas_25_165.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/614883-WotLK-Raid-loot-Priest-changes-Blue-posts&usg=__guArb9_6G46S5sRs2LhdMmm9GWc=&h=411&w=962&sz=100&hl=en&start=172&sig2=7xZp0suo_C2auQo29B7f2w&zoom=1&tbnid=e5Xi6jcFLyGAWM:&tbnh=71&tbnw=166&ei=n_IPTsf3KIGisAPv2pmbDg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwarcraft%2Bshoulder%2Bpads%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D587%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=583&vpy=250&dur=1098&hovh=147&hovw=344&tx=191&ty=82&page=9&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:172&biw=1366&bih=587 pads and http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/d/df/Inv_bracer_79.png&imgrefurl=http://www.wowwiki.com/Sea_Star_Wristwraps&usg=__8vzI8CgbEDf6jYMIg0fvDyDdma8=&h=256&w=256&sz=61&hl=en&start=20&sig2=YfgjO7I5OtUcAFFOcB1J4w&zoom=1&tbnid=AUHkXiMBDV_KQM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=127&ei=5vIPTtiEEIi-sQPy6vmFDg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dworld%2Bof%2Bwarcraft%2Bwrist%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D587%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=103&page=2&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:20&tx=68&ty=80 ....

Maybe it is like how in Oblivion there were the outfits that were all once piece, but you could also get separate pants and shirts. With armor, the "outfit" may be called Armor.

We don't have all the information - so only educated guesses can be made at this point. There is some form of customization going on though, we can see that from many of the pictures. We'll just have to wait for the information as it comes to us.

actually you mean Spaulders and Bracers, unless your wanting to dress in an ancient football uniform

Although, if they did combine the pants and shirts, they could just to the outfits for all clothing.

I personally don't really care, it bugged me when the armor didn't match up.

I too share your pain, no longer will my character be able to run around with just a cuirass and no pants on, this is a sad day for TES. :cryvaultboy:

THEN JUST WEAR MATCHING ARMOUR, GRAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

It doesn't matter one grain of salt what you feel about his work as a developer, as a debeloper, he should still can be expected to know what's going on with the game's development, so if he indicates that cuirasses and greaves are combined, even in directly, then I'm inclined to believe him, if we don't have more substantial evidence to the contrary.

As for those two images, that's easy to explain, maybe in the first one that particular armor is just the greaves and harness, I'm pretty sure we've seen that suit many times looking that way, and in the Khajiit one, we see that the legs seem to be exposed with a sort of skirt type thing around the waist, and that too could just be the design of the armor. The only way a screenshot can confirm that we're actually wrong to assume that cuirasses and greaves are combined is if it clearly shows the two items on screen simultaniously as seperate items, which no screenshot does, though we DO see rather clearly in the E3 demo that Todd has at least two complete or mostly complete suits of armor in his inventory, neither of which has an item called "greaves" in it, and in place of cuirasses we have something called "armor", if it weren't for the change of name, I'd assume he just didn't have the greaves, but when you start calling it armor, then I'd ask, why change the name if it only covers what "cuirass" worked just fine for in Oblivion?



Morrowind already had those, they were called pauldrons and bracers (And I know that most pauldrons covered the entire upper arm rather than just the shoulder, but you could also have ones that only covered the shoulder.)

But back to pants, I don't know how those will be handled because the only clothing we saw in the inventory were robes, but it's possible that those two are combined with shirts and they're now called "outfits", in this case, the logic of the combination may have been to make it so wearing robes is actually not a terrible decision for mages like it was in Oblivion because each robe took up at least two clothing slots and you could have more slots open for enchantments if you wore them, it could also be that pants are still seperate, which might be intended to offer some form of incentive to choose clothing instead of armor, which to be fair, past games did lack, but still, we can only speculate, because we have something that suggests cuirasses and greaves are combined, but this doesn't automatically mean pants and shirts have to be as well.

I will, whether or not they are combined or not, so I am fine either way.