Is the Thalmor plan to erase man from possibility mentioned in game?I was under the impression it was and I had just not found it yet.

Thank you in advance

It isn't. The "kill man" doctrine is actually apocryphal, such that Beth might be naughty and disrespect everybody's intelligence by morphing their motives into garden-variety world domination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ

I think it's reasonable to guess that the Thalmor are advancing that plan, as the erasure of Talos from the Divine is step one, and the Thalmor are awfully insistent about the Empire not worshipping him.

The Thalmor want the immortaly/divinty back.By to this they need the Hearth of Lorkhan in it's full power and also kill all other races in the world.But let's not forget what happend to the Dwemer.....

No...if anything, I'd see the Thalmor attempting to destroy the Heart of the World. The dwemer just wanted to use it as an overcharged battery.

When explaining about Alduin and the prophesied end of the world, Esbern quips that the Thalmor don't want the world destroyed either -- then adds, at least, they want the world destroyed on their own terms.

I would guess that most of the Thalmor's regular soldiers and lower-ranking officers just see this as a mundane power struggle with some morale-boosting slogans about Aldmer supremacy thrown in, and that it's mostly just the upper tiers who understand that they literally intend to uncreate Mundus. It seems as if the Blades understood that, given Esbern's comment.

I've been speculating that the Mede dynasty tends to see things in exclusively mundane terms, lacking or underestimating the importance of counsel from those with more insight into the mythopoetic basis of the Empire and of Mundus.

More questions.

How does Sheo factor in.Does the Thalmor even know of his situation?

Are any of the Psijic order humans?

What books discuss the Dragons that used to aid the Empire?I have seen it mentioned about them being in the Battlespire where the Imperial battlemages trained

Unknown, but your average Altmer wouldn't want to be a Daedra.

I don't know any by name, but they are allowed to join. This suggests to me there are ways beyond the Thalmor's plans to achieve their goal.

It's quite understandable that it's not mentioned, that's not exactly something that you let people find out about, especially people that you want to subdue. Chances are the only Thalmor who have that as a conscious goal are the highest echelons in Alinor, the peons (which are all we see in Skyrim) probably truly just believe that Talos worship is heretical.

Another one

Are the Khajit one of the towers?

This. I'm curious too.


Also, what good, canonical evidence do we have for the whole "Thalmor want to end reality" thing. The theory gets bandied around so much that people take it for granted, but how firm is the foundation the theory is built upon because as was said at the start of the thread, most of the material that references it is technically apocrypha. Sure we all have our favourite pieces of apocrypha (Like the Saarthal device being an extra-planar interface "AI" that got dumped back in time from the 9th era), but that doesn't mean they'll be recognised as canon in the long run ;p

Vanus Galerion, I imagine. Few Altmer have last names.

As I said above, the Blade scholar Esbern says that the Thalmor want to destroy the world, and when the Thalmor wizard Ancano is using the Eye of Magnus, he says, excitedly, that he could use it to destroy the world.

That doesn't confirm the apocrypha in detail, but is certainly consistent with it.

Last question for a while.

Which "dawn" did the tribunal temple get sent to when they used the heart of Lorkhan?The end of the last one/start of this one or the end of this one/start of the next

We have no proof that it's the Thalmor's goal, but we do know that Altmer religion revolves around escaping Mundus.

They want to erase man and umake Nirn. That's all there is to it. Those bugs in jars have nothing to do with anything.

That's mostly fanterpretation mixed with "well, logically" and a few generalizations with a hint of wishful thinking. From what I understand, it comes from the homophonic similarities with Ja'Kha'Jay (Khajiit word for their Lunar bond) and Ja'Khajiit (Young Khajiit/Me/What most not-cat-people call the Khajiit).

Didn't one of the devs say that was the Thalmor's goal all along when it was first revealed the Empire was a Thalmor puppet?

Already been answered, but


There was that Nord in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:2920,_The_Last_Year_of_the_First_Era#Book_Two:_Sun.27s_Dawn. Granted, the story itself is also fictional, even in-game. I swear there was a khajiit among the group too. Later on, Welleg sets himself on fire, gets kicked out, and is indirectly responsible for loosing Mehrunes Dagon on Mournhold. The same fight involving Almalexia and Sotha Sil.

really late answer, woops

sorry another one.
Two rumors from oblivion about the summerset isles were
1 Some Altmer had turned to Daedra worship
2Trade of Imperial goods has stopped.

Could both of those rumors be aimed at the Thalmor?(sorry for the akward phrasing it is late and I am not that bright)

Escaping is not destroying - I earlier posted a theory in general discussion that Talos was the opposite of Lorkhan (He's called a 'Mirror Brother' of Lorkhan and mirrors reverse an image horizontally). This means that Talos found an exit by being a Godwalker and ascending a la Unknown Armies. This tied into another theory - Nirn isn't a prison for the people living on it, it's a prison for Lorkhan. Talos was only welcomed by the gods because he was the opposite of Lorkhan, and served as a final check on Lorkhan escaping. So in other words, Lorkhan is using the Thalmor to his own ends. Get rid of Talos so he can ascend again, and destroy mundus so that he's free to wreak havoc in Aetherius.

I'm not entirely sure lorkhan would want to escape mundus, it was his idea to make it. And i always viewed mundus as a test or a lession, the end result would be learning chim or becoming a god, or maybe some other third thing

The second one was definitely a prelude to their rise. Well, it was more the inciting incident towards the Aldmeri isolation they practiced for a good 100-ish years after 4E1. But the isolation was Thalmor policy...
I have no idea what the 1st one could mean.

Since we're talking about Oblivion-era news on the Isles, it is interesting to note that the Psijic order increased their enrollment right before the Oblivion crisis and the subsequent vanishing of Artaeum. Did they need more manpower?

He wanted to make it - he didn't necessarily want to be trapped in it in the process. Remember that the Heart of Lorkhan is Evil by nature, which should tell you something about Lorkhan itself. Now by my theory, the divines didn't want to trap anyone else but Lorkhan, so they managed to give the inhabitants who were caught by accident a way out.