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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:38 pm

Alright, now, what I come here asking you all is highly.... unusual, let me simply start by saying I am writing a story.

In said story, there will be a character that needs to be 'brainwashed' you know, perhaps in the same form the main character of 'Bioshock' was brainwashed for example. Now, preferably I would like to find out a semi-realistic theoretical way for this to be done, for once I'm at a loss of words, I just can't think of the words to describe how it would be done without basically doing something gay and just saying 'magical memory loss potion'!
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Jeffrey Lawson
 
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:42 am

Have your character go through a grueling torture process :shrug:
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Mariana
 
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:15 am

well if your just going for memory loss and not complete brain washing then you could just have some traumatic event affect the characters brain and make them forget things, this is a fairly common movie/book thing. :shrug:
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Katie Samuel
 
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:50 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control

For the brainwashed character, simply make it so that the character was "convinced" that the antagonist was right and the brainwashed person now believes their current actions are right and their old allies were wrong. For fun, make it so that the brainwashed character fully remembers their old life, and have 'em call the heros out on some actions and stuff. As for process, you can say there was some sort of reeducation program that altered the victim's perspective and that this was combined with drugged food that made the victim open to suggestion.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:19 am

Psychotropic drugs.

Otherwise, you can induce a temporary amnesia via huge emotional trauma. Some people fall into a depressive comatose state or stupor too. The mind is pretty flexible when it comes to protecting your sanity (sometimes) so you can do all sorts of fun stuff with electrodes and the aforementioned psychotropics. A bash on the head can sometimes work too but there needs to be a fantasy already in place in his head (ie, he is living a double life or something).
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:40 pm

Sensory deprivation and repetitive speech?


Like a sociology seminar?
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:43 am

Got hit in the head. Hard.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:24 am

Sensory deprivation and repetitive speech?


Like a sociology seminar?

having them fall asleep and land face first into a textbook!
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:15 am

Wait, is the story sci-fi? Or Fantasy? Or current world? Or ancient historical? Because a potion might work in LotR, but not in Star Wars. We need a basis to work with too.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:34 am

Wait, is the story sci-fi? Or Fantasy? Or current world? Or ancient historical? Because a potion might work in LotR, but not in Star Wars. We need a basis to work with too.

If It's sci-fi, that would make this a lot easier. just start ripping out grey matter and plugging in computer components.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:28 am

There's no need for any of that, just ask her out.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:34 am

There's no need for any of that, just ask her out.

It's not brainwashing, it's love.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:27 am

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Top/ecomments/4746/ but also while under the influence of some drug that won't let them remember things, like roofies.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:39 am

There are two very good sources you might mine for ideas:

The Manchurian Candidate, a novel (and two movies, including a 2004 remake with Denzel Washington) about brainwashing subjects to become sleeper agent assassins.

and

Derren Brown's "The Heist" stunt, where he inserted suggestions into a group of susceptible individuals to make them suddenly feel compelled to commit an armed robbery after receiving trigger stimuli.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:24 am

Irreconcilable horror committed by the hands of the brainwashed, and they brainwashed themselves.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:17 pm

Wait, do you want your character to actually be brainwashed or just experiencing memory loss? That wasn't quite clear to me from the way you wrote it. If amnesia, then any number of traumatic events can trigger that, be it physical or psychological. If brainwashing, that implies someone else affecting your characters mind in some way as a means to control them in a given fashion.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:29 am

Alright, now, what I come here asking you all is highly.... unusual, let me simply start by saying I am writing a story.

In said story, there will be a character that needs to be 'brainwashed' you know, perhaps in the same form the main character of 'Bioshock' was brainwashed for example. Now, preferably I would like to find out a semi-realistic theoretical way for this to be done, for once I'm at a loss of words, I just can't think of the words to describe how it would be done without basically doing something gay and just saying 'magical memory loss potion'!

Read the end of 1981.

Good basis to work with.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:37 am

I have studied hypnosis and I can say that the dramatization of hypnosis in the movie Oldboy is pretty accurate.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:14 am

Read the end of 1981.

Good basis to work with.

Wut.


Now I think of it, Ryan's son was brainwashed to respond in a pavlovian way to certain word triggers. Similar to how Alex in A Clockword Orange is brainwashed to feel pain whenever he hears classcal music.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:51 am

Wut.


Now I think of it, Ryan's son was brainwashed to respond in a pavlovian way to certain word triggers. Similar to how Alex in A Clockword Orange is brainwashed to feel pain whenever he hears classcal music.

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Well maybe not describing the phyche but the method is good with the electric shocks and images. I think Orwell goes into a bit of description with the mind aswell, I'll look back when I have the time.

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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:46 am

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Well maybe not describing the phyche but the method is good with the electric shocks and images. I think Orwell goes into a bit of description with the mind aswell, I'll look back when I have the time.


I always found that section a little bit trippy, but it is first person limited. and the process is basically:
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electroshocks and various sci-fi devices use to deliver pain and alter consciousness combined with an interrogation style meetings and food deprivation. during meetings, O'brien teaches Winston Smith, allowing us to both learn about some of the party's inner working and serving to help brainwash Smith. ONce Smith has been re-educated, he's eventually taken to room 101, where he betrays Julia, and thus betrays the last element of his rebellion. While playing a chess scenario and watching the news at a cafe or some such, he finally grows to love big brother. then he's shot.

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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:51 pm

I had actually put some thought into plausible brainwashing ... um ... also for a ... book? :ermm:

My solution was to fake a near death experience. The subject would be held for a time in a cell without windows and their sleep/eat cycles would be altered so they think that they have been held for longer than in reality. Then give them some muscle relaxants that cause them to be awake and aware but unable to move. A "medical staff" will try to help, inject something to put the victim to sleep and claim they they have died. The unconscious person is placed in sensory deprivation. When they wake up they are confused, the last thing they remember is "dying". After some time a voice is pumped into the chamber that tells them they are dead, but they will be sent back on the condition that they fulfill a quest. They then get put back to sleep and returned to the cell surrounded by the same "medical staff" who suddenly have found a pulse and all the hours in sensory deprivation seem like just a few seconds of real time. The person is then released with a quest they pursue with the conviction of a zealot.
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:19 am

do it like in clockwork orange
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:43 pm

well if your just going for memory loss and not complete brain washing then you could just have some traumatic event affect the characters brain and make them forget things, this is a fairly common movie/book thing. :shrug:

adamantium bullet?
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Post » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:58 am

Read the end of 1981.

Good basis to work with.

1981? :blink:
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