When you're told to kill Danse, can you still destroy the BoS if you refuse? I'll stick with Minutemen and maybe Railroad. I kinda like Danse, even if he's a "terminator". As for his PA, is he stuck in it forever or can he eventually take it off?

You didn't need warning, I did say they were allowed, but nonetheless. Danse no longer becomes a follower? Even if he's exiled? That's a downer.

You have a very short window to get Dance out of his PA.

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If you leave him alone at his new home Bravo for even 1 day he will be sporting X-01 sans helmet.

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Once he is exiled things get really weird with the game.

Here you are highest ranking BOS and when you travel with exiled Dance he is attack at first sight and will attack all BOS on site even in the middle of Diamond City.

You are ememies with the BOS as long as you travel together. As soon as you send him home all is fine even if you kill a dozen BOS soldiers.

It got too weird for me to try and explain it away so I stopped that playthru never to go down that path again.

If you want to keep the RP going without the game getting stupid visit him in the bunker, screw him all night to get your lovers perk and dump him at the door in the morning on your way out.

So he doesn't get exiled until you're a Sentinel? Then you can't get him exiled then destroy the BoS? Craaap!!! T-T

When he's exiled is when you're made Paladin. You still have the opportunity to betray if you want.

Danse behaves in a very peculiar manner after Blind Betrayal. He is super aggressive vs BOS units, all the while talking about "representing the Brotherhood". But what's even more troublesome is his behavior if you choose to destroy the BOS. He doesn't aggro, unless you attack him, but he won't talk to you or follow you. HOWEVER, a trade window opens when you select him so you can trade with him AND, you can sleep in a bed wherever he is stationed and he will make his usual morning after comments if you're in a romance with him. So he'll trade with u and screw you but won't talk to you or follow you. I think this is all poorly scripted and I hope a mod fixes it at some point. If he is so upset for you destroying the Brotherhood, how about not slaughtering every BOS thing he sees... Cylons are conflicted I guess...

Re: the weirdness of all this...

Some people have suggested that Bethesda ran out of time before fixing Danse's dialogue. In fact, there are sound files which indicate that Danse's progression in the game might have taken a radically different course.

If you removed the post-exile BOS lines, I think his character would make a lot more sense.

I really hope they patch this up in the DLC.

Hey, hate six is the best.

Yes, Danse would make a lot more sense without the post exile BOS stuff. If he warmed up to the Railroad that would make a lot of sense too. I could see him being upset about destroying the Railroad more so than the BOS post exile. None of this "representing the Brotherhood" while gunning down a Vertibird with a Gatling laser.

Agreed, but he could at least say "I hate you" before throwing you down in the crib?

It's too bad he has to keep himself in PA even after being banished from the BoS. Seems like computer mods are the only way to make him wear anything else. Hell, I had to remove the entire door/wall of my barracks in Sanctuary to get him to walk inside with that suit on.

I really wish I could kill Maxson off without making the BoS hostile, become Elder, and bring Danse back into the group. Anyone who would have a problem with a synth among their ranks would just have to accept it or else. > There seem to be many missed opportunities to make every faction's story more interesting...along with romances, which mean very little other than new dialogue and double XP.

I don't want him doing an about face and suddenly supporting the Railroad, but I definitely wish they got rid of his BOS dialog. This just seems sloppy.

Maybe if you hack Ayo's terminal, you'll get his reset code. That might help o.O

Yes, either he would hate the brotherhood and be happy if you destroy the prydwen.

Or he still like the brotherhood even if exiled and would only fight them if attacked, in this setting he might hate you for destroying the airship and killing his friends.

Note that its even an disabled quest arch where Danse become leader of the BoS.

Probably disabled as it would be an obvious too good solution.

He hated the RR, he called them bastards because they didn't even bother to give any good memory of a good childhood, he grows up lonely and with no one to love him. He wouldn't support the RR, and even though the BoS wants him dead, he still has a lot of friends in there who still believe in him no matter what. Scribe Haylen visits him very often and bring him food and clothes. Above all, he still believes in their ideology, if you killed the innocent, he would confront you and said that even when he's no longer a BoS member, he wouldn't stand to have you tarnish its name.

It wouldn't be too good if it would still require you to destroy the RR and the Institute, it would just be a change in leadership. Danse is just gonna be a less extreme version of the Maxson, he's against Elder Lyon's ruling and compare the MM to the BoS in a negative light.

Yes, the game set so that the BoS automatically turn on you, but if you part way with Danse, they become friends instantly, but they and Danse would still be shooting each other, and if either you or Danse accidentally kill a named character, you would become permanent enemy with the BoS and Danse would leave you forever.

There is a mod that removes the hostility between Danse and Brotherhood of Steel.

Apparently, there is dialog that deals with a different way to end Blind Betrayal and the whole Brotherhood of Steel quest in the files. It actually makes sense for why the Brotherhood of Steel and Danse would be so hostile. It involves taking over the Brotherhood and becoming Elder. At least Fallout is not like Elder Scrolls where you can become General of the Minutemen, Elder of the Brotherhood, and Director of the Institute. The most you can become is General of the Minutemen and Director of the Institute.

I don't care about becoming the Elder, but it would be nice if we could put Danse as the Elder instead, he actually likes to help ghouls and has a better understanding of synths in general.

If it was Obsidian or one of the other Fallout developers, then they would have likely made it so that the Sole Survivor, Danse, or someone else could be made Elder. The dialog actually sounds like either your character or Danse could have been made Elder.

That will twist the story so hard, because...

So far I know the Commonwealth BOS aren't the only BOS and the whole Commonwealth BOS are Maxson's pathetic fanatics.

Even if Commonwealth BOS are the only BOS army left, all that NPC "I'll be the first one to kick the door of Hell" crap talk will result everyone to attack you if you kill Maxson and take over the BOS, even if they know they'll die. In the end, you'll just being an Elder of no one.

It's not a takeover, but it's challenging Maxson for authority, maybe something to do with deeming him unfit to be an Elder and demote him or arrest him. It was in the cut content where Danse and SS challenging Maxson for the Elder role.

Having a veteran member challenging the leader for control of the organization makes far more sense than lets hand all power to this person we just met like what the Minutemen and Institute did. Seriously, who gives complete control of the most advanced working laboratory to a parent that they haven't seen in 60 years?

This is why I don't want to become Elder but having Danse become Elder instead.