Questions and Musings on Lesser Daedra

Post » Sat May 25, 2013 7:56 am

Recently, I had the thought to create a dremora PC for my next playthrough of Skyrim, but then I realized the absurdity of that concept and it produced some interesting questions.

For starters, is it even conceivable that a daedra might be blessed with a dragon's soul? I would assume the answer to be a resounding NO because...

  • I doubt Akatosh would favor or bless a daedroth
  • Are dragons not a form of aedra?
  • The daedra are not born since they are the spirits which did not participate in convention. Although, as I was reading the TIL post on the daedric princes and the lesser daedra it was not clear if lesser daedra were these spirits or if the princes created them (the existence of masterless daedra seems to point otherwise).

Of course, this led me to some new questions.

  • Is being reborn in the waters of oblivion to be taken literally? We know that it is a sort of terrible dreaming or sleeping from Battlespire, but is there further documentation on the process? Do they eventually *poof* back into their respective realms, literally wash ashore, cast out by a turbulent cosmic sea, or...
  • ...are they reborn in the same way that mortals are born? (at least how mortal men are born, I have no idea how the altmer get around).

Barring an actual daedra becoming or ever having been dragonborn, could a child of a mortal and a daedra be dragonborn? We know that Vivec had some monstrous children with Bal, though I do not know if VIvec counted as a mortal at that point, but it all points to the idea that Daedra generally have the ability to produce offspring. Would such a child...

  • Be immortal? A demi-god of sorts?
  • Be a daedroth, or a mortal?
  • Look humanoid at all or appear as a monster?
  • Does it all depend on the mother traits?

Finally, a really stupid question: are the dark seducers we see in Shivering Isles the same as the daedra seducers we see in Battlespire?

These are all just silly musing I had based on my limited knowledge of the lore and none of it is really important in regards to RPing, but I hope the questions will spark an interesting discussion (and not that this question has been asked a million times, if it has I apologize in advance). Anyways, thanks for reading!

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Post » Sat May 25, 2013 2:26 am

No, not really. Not with what we know.

We don't really know, but the reality may be closer to the first. We know that daedra can be summoned from the waters of Oblivion. We do it in Skyrim (the Master Conjuration Quest), and we know Daedric Princes do it/don't do it to punish their daedric servants. Clavicus Vile, for example, wants you to kill Barbas so he'll linger in the waters of Oblivion for a while and Clavicus can be free of Barbas' back seat driving. In Morrowind, during the A Cure for Vampirism quest, Molag Bal wants you to kill his "daughter", a Winged Twilight named Molag Grunda who resides in Tamriel, so that he may "punish her for all eternity"; presumably to summon her spirit from the waters of Oblivion into Coldharbor and torture her for eternity.

If daedra and mortals can reproduce, and if the child is mortal, then probably. But whether or not daedra can reproduce with mortals - let alone with eachother - is still a matter of much contention. We're not sure of anything.

Yes. As a note on correction, only the seducers of Daggerfall were ever called "daedra seducers". But including even them, I'd say that Daedra Seducers (Daggerfall), Seducers (Battlespire), Dark Seducers (Battlespire), and Dark Seducers/Mazken (Shivering Isles), are ALL basically the same type of daedra. Just different artistic designs taken by the development team. Some creatures have changed quite a lot over the years.

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Post » Sat May 25, 2013 12:04 pm

Thanks for the reply. I kinda figured as much, but I was really curious about the waters of oblivion bit/what that experience is actually like. Sometimes these things seem to be abstract concepts othertimes we're supposed to take things literally.

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Post » Sat May 25, 2013 9:18 am

The game is absurd. Play your dremora and have fun.

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