[Jade Barnes-Mackey]

I have been wondering things about TES lately which probably don't need an elaborate explanation/answer. So I feel like this forum section would do well with this kind of thread. I've seen the same thread concept used elsewhere with good results.

This might be useful for a way to consolidate the community's little questions without having to clutter the forum with threads with only 1 or 2 responses.

1) I recall an in-game book about parents taking their sick child to an island in northern skyrim looking for treatment. On the island are a group of necromancers that turn the kid into an undead, iirc. What book am I thinking of?

2) Chancellor Ocato states that there were 6 other champions of Cyrodil. Do we know who they were?

3) I'm confused about the meanings/uses of the words "mantle," "avatar," and "apotheosis."

4) If Martin was able to transform into Akatosh, is it possible to transform into the other aedras? How would Talos look if it had been him instead of Akatosh?

5) What's up with the Imga in TES? Have they appeared in previous games? Are they a beast race? Their description suggests they are intelligent beings, but why aren't they more common around Tamriel?

6) Are there other beast races that have yet to appear in a game?

7) Are the dreugh intelligent as they are described in their dealing with Vivec?

There were more that I forgot while writing this post, so if I remember them I will ask them in this thread.

[Honey Suckle]

1) http://imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-exodus.
2) The champion of Arena and Battlespire were two, I don't thin we know the identities of the rest. Its been speculated that the Nerevarine is another one.
3) This definitely deserves its own thread Basically, to mantle is to act like a god until you are a god. "Fake it till you make it." An avatar is a personification of a god in the mortal realm (like your little toy soldier avatar is a personification of you on this forum). Apotheosis is a fancy term meaning "to become a god."
4) Not sure Martin really transformed into Akatosh, or if Akatosh came down to the mortal plain. There have been avatars of the other Aedra, but Akatosh' appearance was because he had a contract with the empire through the Amulet of Kings. Talos would probably look like Tiber Septim, or, alteratively, he would appear as Lorkhan's scarab.
5) They are found primarily in Valenwood, which we have not visited. Yes, they are a beast race (apes), and no, they've not appeared in games (although there is an image of one in the first PGE).
6) There are some vague mentions of bird men, other than that I can't think of anything.
7) I'm not sure if their intelligence is backed up elsewhere, but I would say that yes, they are intelligent.

[Cool Man Sam]

The Nerevarine as a Champion of Cyrodiil? I doubt it.
Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apotheosis.jpg

Nothing more to add; Lady N covered it.
If you want more information on mantling, there've been a lot of threads on it in the past.

[Nomee]

4) Not sure Martin really transformed into Akatosh, or if Akatosh came down to the mortal plain. There have been avatars of the other Aedra, but Akatosh' appearance was because he had a contract with the empire through the Amulet of Kings. Talos would probably look like Tiber Septim, or, alteratively, he would appear as Lorkhan's scarab.

I think MK said somewhere that Martin actually mantled Akatosh. Also, Shor has a "scaled mane" in Shor son of Shor, which might hint at Shor taking the form of a dragon (or just something else with scales, and he appears to be a scarab in other cultures). So if Martin mantled Talos he might appear as a dragon anyway.

Otherwise, Lady Nerevar covered everything.

[Nick Pryce]

2) The champion of Arena and Battlespire were two, I don't thin we know the identities of the rest. Its been speculated that the Nerevarine is another one.

Hmmmm let me have a go! :user:

1) Arena PC (Just to confirm, he is also the Daggerfall PC too right?)

2) Battlespire PC

3) Tiber Septim? :shrug:

4) Nerevarine? :shrug:

5) Oblivion PC

6)Reman Cyrodiil? :shrug:

I know I am probably wrong on the ones I thought :wacko: but I get a feeling Alessia or Pelinal Whitestreak should be in there, but that was before Reman Cyrodiil right? Especially Pelinal being a Shezzarine-like guy so that isnt fair :dance:

[hannah sillery]

Pete, those army men look like candy.

[Adam Kriner]

1) Arena PC (Just to confirm, he is also the Daggerfall PC too right?)

No, the exact opposite actually. The Arena PC and the Daggerfall PC are the two player-characters of the main series that have the most evidence of being different people, as they both have different birth dates.

[Damien Mulvenna]

The Nerevarine as a Champion of Cyrodiil? I doubt it.

Well he did http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Helm_of_Oreyn_Bearclaw :spotted owl:

[Rhysa Hughes]

I think Mantling refers solely to repeating Convention, where Lorkhan formed Mundus through guile and force, and where Akatosh tore out Lorkhan's heart. Talos mantled as he repeated the creation aspect of Convention (this is obvious), and Martin mantled the destruction aspect: Mehrunes Dagon has a history of relation to Lorkhan via Kirkbride's texts, both Mehrunes Dagon and Lorkhan were ultimately successful in their goals to create Mundus and destroy the Empire, and Akatosh in both instances is defending a doomed status quo.

[Prohibited]

Mantling: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/assume_the_mantle i.e. wearing the mantle of a divine.
Avatars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar i.e. physical representation of a divine.
Apotheosis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotheosis i.e. ascending to the level of divinity.

[Genevieve]

Mantling: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/assume_the_mantle i.e. wearing the mantle of a divine.
Avatars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar i.e. physical representation of a divine.
Apotheosis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotheosis i.e. ascending to the level of divinity.

sweet thanks for the definitions! :thumbsup:

[Thema]

Mantling: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/assume_the_mantle i.e. wearing the mantle of a divine.
Avatars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar i.e. physical representation of a divine.
Apotheosis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotheosis i.e. ascending to the level of divinity.

Thanks for all the links guys It hadn't occurred to me that those might be "real" words outside TES lore, lol.

[Emma Pennington]

1) Arena PC (Just to confirm, he is also the Daggerfall PC too right?)
2) Battlespire PC
3) Tiber Septim? :shrug:
4) Nerevarine? :shrug:
5) Oblivion PC
6)Reman Cyrodiil? :shrug:
I know I am probably wrong on the ones I thought :wacko: but I get a feeling Alessia or Pelinal Whitestreak should be in there, but that was before Reman Cyrodiil right? Especially Pelinal being a Shezzarine-like guy so that isnt fair :dance:

1) Yep, though they are different people. The DF PC could be another champion.
2) Probably.
3) He was the one who started the empire, so I doubt he would also call himself Champion of Cyrodiil.
4) Had little connection with Cyrodiil, although his actions did ultimately benefit the empire and he was sent there by Septim.
5) Yep.
6) Waaaay back in the 1st era, and, again, an emperor rather than just a Champion.

My guess is that the other 3 Champions are important generals of who we have not heard. There are plenty of times where a hero could have arisen.

[Harry-James Payne]

1) Yep, though they are different people. The DF PC could be another champion.
2) Probably.
3) He was the one who started the empire, so I doubt he would also call himself Champion of Cyrodiil.
4) Had little connection with Cyrodiil, although his actions did ultimately benefit the empire and he was sent there by Septim.
5) Yep.
6) Waaaay back in the 1st era, and, again, an emperor rather than just a Champion.

My guess is that the other 3 Champions are important generals of who we have not heard. There are plenty of times where a hero could have arisen.

The Underking?

[Silvia Gil]

We'll probably never know who the the others are.

[Laura-Lee Gerwing]

I do not believe that the Ka Po' Tun - Tiger Men of Akavir have been featured in a game. I am also not sure if they are just another breed of Khajiit. There are several breeds of Khajiit that we have never seen, The Tsaesci - snake Men of Akavir, the Demons of Kamal, the Tang Mo - various monkey breeds of Akavir and the Sload. There are aparently even more unspecified beast races that reside on other continents besides Tamriel. We have also only seen two of the seven varieties of Werebeast, the Werewolf and the Wereboar.

[james reed]

We've seen the sload from concept art and in Redguard. The pocket guide that comes with Redguard has pictures of the khajiit breeds.

[helliehexx]

The PGE 3rd Ed. makes mention of the Lilmothiit in Black Marsh. They were a nomadic vulpine race that didn't leave many clues to their existence. Supposedly related to the Khajiit. The PGE makes it sound like they don't exist anymore, but there's always a possiblity...

[courtnay]

The Ehlnofey are said to be the shared ancestors of beasts and mer and men. The hist are the only other beings besides the Ehlnofey at that point?

The men and the mer branches of the Ehlnofey further evolved over time into the sub-races. But do the beast races also share a common ancestor in the sense that all elves descend from Aldmer? Are beast races "sub-races" of an Aldmer equivalent in their evolutionary line?

Why do the Hist not change over time as the Ehlnofey did?

Is there a distinction between the intelligent beast races and the basic beasts like boars, wolves, etc? Were animals present at the beginning of Nirn, actually I think I know the answer. Are they part of what is meant by "Earth Bones?"

Where did all the water/oceans come from when the Ehlnofey wars covered the otherwise all earth planet? Are there lost ruins and artifacts at the bottom of the ocean?

If the Hist were numerous before the oceans covered the world, why did they only manage to stay in Argonia? Or is it possible they exist on other continents?

[BRAD MONTGOMERY]

The PGE 3rd Ed. makes mention of the Lilmothiit in Black Marsh. They were a nomadic vulpine race that didn't leave many clues to their existence. Supposedly related to the Khajiit. The PGE makes it sound like they don't exist anymore, but there's always a possiblity...

TES does a decent job of keeping lost races lost.

[Marquis deVille]

1) The Ehlnofey are said to be the shared ancestors of beasts and mer and men. The hist are the only other beings besides the Ehlnofey at that point?

2) The men and the mer branches of the Ehlnofey further evolved over time into the sub-races. But do the beast races also share a common ancestor in the sense that all elves descend from Aldmer? Are beast races "sub-races" of an Aldmer equivalent in their evolutionary line?

3) Why do the Hist not change over time as the Ehlnofey did?

4) Is there a distinction between the intelligent beast races and the basic beasts like boars, wolves, etc? Were animals present at the beginning of Nirn, actually I think I know the answer. Are they part of what is meant by "Earth Bones?"

5) Where did all the water/oceans come from when the Ehlnofey wars covered the otherwise all earth planet? Are there lost ruins and artifacts at the bottom of the ocean?

6) If the Hist were numerous before the oceans covered the world, why did they only manage to stay in Argonia? Or is it possible they exist on other continents?

1) As far as I know, it was just the Hist and Ehlnofey.

2) The Khajiit are said to have once been Bosmer, and the Argonians are directly related to the Hist. No idea about the other beast races.

3) Who's to say they didn't?

4)No idea.

5) Good question... maybe there were seas of equal volume, but they were just extremely deep with very low surface area, and the war rearranged topography enough for the water to spread around. I'd imagine there are ruins and artifacts, yes. There are in Morrowind's Inner Sea.

6) Very possible, I think.

[Prue]

The in-game city guides are pretty entertaining. But did the developers overlook the fact that there isn't one for Kvatch?

[MARLON JOHNSON]

Don't take that (or any) creation myth as the single. literal, and absolute truth.

[Rusty Billiot]

The in-game city guides are pretty entertaining. But did the developers overlook the fact that there isn't one for Kvatch?

Pretty much.

Or they knew Kvatch would be destroyed, so they didn't bother. I smell conspiracy.

[abi]

It was next on Alessia Ottus' to complain-about-condescendingly list.